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Hey Everyone,
I've just finished updating Alan's site to include information on his piston valve alignment kit. There you can find information on the advantages of using the kit, the horns that it is available for, and ordering information. I've been using Alan's alignment on my horn for 6 months now and wouldn't have it any other way. The difference was immediately noticeable between the brand new stock felts that came in the instrument and Alan's kit. I encourage you all to check out http://www.baertracksmusic.com" target="_blank" target="_blank for more info.

Best,
Jason Koi

I read about these a while ago when Mr. Baer created a thread here about them, and I just left it at that, but I'm not considering these now that I own a piston horn.

Also, that is excellent site design, Mr. Koi!



Jackson "who is just getting the hang of mashing the buttons" Parodi

Jason,
Any plans to work on Willson Tubas? I have a 3100 BBb and a 3400 Eb.

Tony

Jason, have you actually read and understood nature of the nonsense about the weight of the pistons being freed from the instrument thereby leading to a better resonance?

Nobody in the know about elementary mechanics, which is a branch of science, will buy that one. You cannot make weight evaporate that way. Pistons cannot be made into independently flying objects. They still will resonate with the instrument. The contact area may be diminished, but that only leads to a higher pressure per square unit. The comparison to a stand-supported tuba versus a tuba in the player’s lab doesn’t hold up. The stand is a vibration conductor whereas the soft human body is a damper. Compare the peg of a cello to the knees holding a viola da gamba.

And Jason, just one more question of a business nature: Are your contributions to the Cult of Bovine Manure tax-deductible?

Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre

Klaus, chill out man. Jason is the site designer, not the independent council on scientific review on tuba related matters. Weight issues or not, I like the way my valves move better with the kits vs. conventional felts, and it still sounds good to me.
No need to kill the messenger.

The OP held an endorsement with reference to a text on a commercial site.

K

I would be more willing to try this out if I knew I could return them for refund if I wasn't satisfied of the improvement. My friends know I'm an unrepentent gear head and will try anything once, but $180 for this is a bit steep, and a $5 price increase if I remember correctly. Is there a money back guarantee? There's no mention of one on the site.

Jason,
Any plans to work on Willson Tubas? I have a 3100 BBb and a 3400 Eb.

Tony

Tony, I got a set for my Willson 3400 and they really do make a difference and really do make the horn seem lighter in its response. I was taking a flier when I tried Alan's kit and I am now certainly glad I did.

imperialbari wrote:Jason, have you actually read and understood nature of the nonsense about the weight of the pistons being freed from the instrument thereby leading to a better resonance?

Klaus (or anyone for that matter): If you have any problems or disagree with anything stated on the website I suggest you take that up with Alan as he is the writer of all of the content on the site. I, as the designer, was merely informing the community that the kits are now available on the website and do not see any other reason to be addressed personally unless you have a problem with the design or with typos (thanks, guys). Your addressing me is rather like yelling at the printing press about an article that you don't agree with.

At any rate, Alan can be private messaged under the username: Alan Baer or you can find further contact info on his website. I'm sure he would be happy to discuss any issues that you take with his prose as well as options for making the kit available to other models of instruments.

Best,
Jason

jasonkoi wrote:Your addressing me is rather like yelling at the printing press about an article that you don't agree with.

Sorry, can't agree with that statement.

Your OP was using this site (TubeNet) to advertise the product for which you designed the website. Choosing to use an open forum like this to advertise a product actually invites the kind of comments Klaus made.

Kind of the whole point of a discussion site like this, isn't it?

While I can't comment on the weight issue, I will say that through examination with a dental mirror, you will find that the valves are PERFECTLY aligned with the kit and not with felts. To me $180 is a small price to pay for the difference that the alignment makes in the sound and response of the instrument.

LJV wrote: Hey Uncle Buck! Great name...

Thanks!! Love that movie!

LJV wrote: I think we might be getting tangled up here. Jason was the OP in this thread. He isn't the seller or designer of the product nor the website author. He is only the webmeister. He just does as he is requested and puts the info that Alan Baer requests that he put on the aforementioned website. Jason is just suggesting that Klaus ask his questions of the designer, maker, and seller of the product, and that's Herr Baer.

Ya know, the old "don't shoot the messenger" thing... shoot the guy who wrote the message!

Not that this issue is really worth dragging out any farther, but the OP did give a personal endorsement of the product. That's an advertisement in my book, and in a forum like this, invites the kind of response Klaus gave.

Disclaimer: I have absolutely no opinion whatsoever about the product in question.

Fantastic job! Now if we can just find some dirt on those pesky guys like Roger Lewis, Dan Oberloh, BVD Press, Steve Furgeson, and Ivan Giddings who come on here promoting their businesses/websites and inform us of newly available products. Do you guys show the same courtesy to those folks as you did Jason and Alan Baer??


-James Hicks (who also has the Baer alignment kit, thinks it's great, and, out of courtesy, would contact Mr. Baer privately he discovered something wrong)

james wrote:Fantastic job! Once again the TubeNet police have nabbed another violator!!! How dare someone make a post promoting a product/business/website!!

Nobody here ever said anything was wrong with promoting a product/business/website. I simply made the point that doing so on a forum like this invites the kind of response Klaus gave.

In other words,

Posting an advertisement in an open forum =

Whining about it when somebody responds with a criticism of the product advertised =

Responding with a disagreement over the criticism =

My point is that, had the OP been one of the businesses I mentioned, there would have been MUCH more hesitation/avoidance to "call out" the advertisement. Especially if it was simply the web-designer for said businesses making a post here (even with an endorsement). I used referenced businesses as an example because I don't know of many who would "call out" these merchants.

And when it all boils down, was this "call out" really necessary? Was it intended to save an unknowing person from making a bad purchase on a bad product with a bad business? Or was it simply an opportunity to show "I know more." ? Sure, it may be the "right" of someone to flame or call out an advertisement. But, is it a courteous or thoughtful practice? Does it reflect a good light on the person doing so?


James (who has the "right" to do/say a LOT of things he wouldn't do/say)

LJV wrote:I think Klaus's wit is lost on some

Chalk that up to Euro-crankiness.