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I received the 2009 Miraphone price list today, and there are some notable additions. New for 2009: Piston F, new rotary CC, and two older rotary CC models have been revived...

First is the new piston F...

F-tuba "Petruschka", front action, 5 valves F-1281
- bell diameter 420 mm (16,535 inch)
- 5/4
- without strap ring and lyre holder
- piston valves, front action
- 5th valve = rotary valve
- bore of valve section conical 19,6 - 20,4 mm (0,772 - 0,803 inch)
- vented valves for pressure compensation
- material of mouthpipe nickel silver
- mouthpiece TU23


Revived is the Kaiser CC; I believe Tommy Johnson used to play this one...

CC tuba, bell 50 cm, 5 valves CC-90B (CC-190 5V)
- bell diameter 500 mm (19,685 inch)
- 5/4
- rotary valves
- bore of valve section 21,2 mm (0,835 inch)
- spiral spring system
- nickel silver wreath
- material of mouthpipe nickel silver
- mouthpiece TU33
- lacquered


This is the new CC version of the 191 rotary BBb...

CC tuba, "Bruckner", bell 47 cm, 5 valves CC-291B (CC-291 5V)
- bell diameter 470 mm (18,504 inch)
- 5/4
- rotary valves
- bore of valve section conical 20,4 - 21,2 mm (0,803 - 0,835 inch)
- spiral spring system
- material of mouthpipe nickel silver
- mouthpiece TU31


And an old friend is back, the 185 CC, probably with the newer flat whole step 5th valve unless you specify otherwise...

CC-tuba, bell 42 cm, 5 valves CC-85B (CC-185 5V)
- bell diameter 420 mm (16,535 inch)
- 3/4
- rotary valves
- spiral spring system
- nickel silver wreath
- material of mouthpipe nickel silver
- mouthpiece TU21
- lacquered

Best,

Ferguson

Any idea of pricing yet?

Yes, but Miraphone doesn't set suggested retail or minimum selling prices, so it's best to call your favorite dealer and see what they'll charge.

Best,

Ferguson

Thank you for the info.

I wonder how the pitch will be on the 190CC. That is quite a horn, with a unique color. If they have improved the intonation to 186/188 parameters, then that is quite an option for a 5/4 CC tuba.

Will these horns be at the Midwest clinic next week? I sure hope so!!!

Matthew Gilchrest wrote:I wonder how the pitch will be on the 190CC. That is quite a horn, with a unique color. If they have improved the intonation to 186/188 parameters, then that is quite an option for a 5/4 CC tuba.

The guy to speak with about this would be Joe Murphy. He has one of these second-generation 190 CCs. This latest iteration of Mirafone's Howitzer model benefits from many improvements made in Mirafone's manufacturing process since the last time the horn was produced a couple decades ago, plus it uses the same .835" super-quick rotary valves that can be found in the 191.

You can reach Joe through his website at http://www.loudmouthpieces.com.

...Dave

Salivating for the "Bruckner" model.

Anyone hears of a price, please post.

It is good to hear some new big rotary C coming on the market. Choice is quite limited, compared to piston models.

Not that I am looking - my Neptune does me just fine

Mojo workin' wrote:Salivating for the "Bruckner" model.

Anyone hears of a price, please post.

Prices are listed on Steve's website. They didn't look outrageous.

Nice to see the 190 coming back, especially if they've improved the intonation.

BierGeek wrote:

Andrew Schwartz wrote:anyone hear of a release date for any of these horns?

Spring 2009

Yup...I've heard that the piston F will be at the Midwest conference, and the 191CC will be at Frankfurt Musicmesse (sp?) at the end of March. Not sure about the other models.

Either way, that give us all about 3 months to start saving our pennies.

bort wrote:

BierGeek wrote:

Andrew Schwartz wrote:anyone hear of a release date for any of these horns?

Spring 2009

Yup...I've heard that the piston F will be at the Midwest conference, and the 191CC will be at Frankfurt Musicmesse (sp?) at the end of March. Not sure about the other models.

Either way, that give us all about 3 months to start saving our pennies.

Didn't someone here play the prototype of the piston F? I think from what I remember, it looks like a small 1291. Somewhere on here is a picture of the prototype.

pierso20 wrote:Didn't someone here play the prototype of the piston F? I think from what I remember, it looks like a small 1291. Somewhere on here is a picture of the prototype.

Yup...here it is!

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Any more info on pricing. I went to Steve's website, but I didn't see anything. Even an estimate would be great. Thanks!

Joseph

Bob1062 wrote:I would suspect the 291 to be similar to the 1291, and the F to be similar to the Firebird or Eb's. It appears as if the days of awesomely-priced Miraphones have passed.

Makes me wonder if prices of brass, copper, and other raw metals fall, will the price of horns fall?

Nope.

Sad......

pierso20 wrote:

Bob1062 wrote:I would suspect the 291 to be similar to the 1291, and the F to be similar to the Firebird or Eb's. It appears as if the days of awesomely-priced Miraphones have passed.

Makes me wonder if prices of brass, copper, and other raw metals fall, will the price of horns fall?

Nope.

Sad......

This has more effect on the price of German tubas than the price of copper:

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Norm

bigpapajon wrote:The value of the dollar doesn't help either.

No....except the exchange of the dollar is at about 1.30 to the Euro now...much less than when it was at 1.80 but prices still high.....but I'm no ecomomist.......

Maybe I'll just keep a wait and see attitude.....or maybe WWBW will take a trade in of a car for the horn....

At one point, I had heard talk of a Miraphone 6/4 being developed. Too bad they don't have any hype/details on that.

pierso20 wrote:

bigpapajon wrote:The value of the dollar doesn't help either.

No....except the exchange of the dollar is at about 1.30 to the Euro now...much less than when it was at 1.80 but prices still high.....but I'm no ecomomist.......

Maybe I'll just keep a wait and see attitude.....or maybe WWBW will take a trade in of a car for the horn....

Two weeks ago the Euro was worth $1.23 today it is $1.43 so don't expect price breaks anytime soon