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Re: What brand is this?

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:06 pm
by bort
I think the MF Superbone was made by Holton. This looks bigger though, so maybe this is a Superbassbone? Bass Superbone? I dunno, looks like it'd be fun for a few hours. :)

Re: What brand is this?

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:23 pm
by bort
Ok, ok...it's a cimbasso. :oops:

Re: What brand is this?

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:27 pm
by bububassboner
Looks a lot like this but an octave lower...

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http://s299.photobucket.com/albums/mm30 ... CN0516.jpg" target="_blank

http://s299.photobucket.com/albums/mm30 ... CN0517.jpg" target="_blank

Hard to tell. The one I showed was an Alexander valved bass trombone. The one in your picture looks a lot larger. Maybe pitched in F or maybe even BBb?

Re: What brand is this?

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:57 pm
by Ace
For ten years, I played a big, heavy Cerveny bass trombone in F, and used a Schilke shaved-shank 59 bass trombone mouthpiece.

http://www.amati-denak.cz/english/produ ... t_576g.htm" target="_blank

The horn that Bob posted looks much bigger than the Cerveny; thus, I would lean toward it being a contra bass straight-line cimbasso in CC or BBb. Also, look at the tuba-size mouthpiece the guy is using.

Re: What brand is this?

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:42 pm
by The Big Ben
Ace wrote:For ten years, I played a big, heavy Cerveny bass trombone in F, and used a Schilke shaved-shank 59 bass trombone mouthpiece.

http://www.amati-denak.cz/english/produ ... t_576g.htm" target="_blank" target="_blank
Yeah, I saw that one in Cerveny's catalog and thought, "Bend it in half and call it a cimbasso."

Re: What brand is this?

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:23 pm
by Tuba-G Bass
After looking at "The Cimbasso page" and using their manufacturers links,
http://www.jrdhome.plus.com/cimbasso.htm
I would guess either a Voigt, Laetzsch, or Haag. :?:
They all make custom instruments besides normal "Bent" cimbassi.

In running the picture caption through Babelfish, translated from spanish
"Stable orchestra of the Theater Columbus.
Rare instrument little well-known, still in Europe.
Cimbasso is called (chimbasso). Contrabass would come to be trombón"
Not much to go on there, other than its a cimbasso.

Bob, I don't think Miraphone makes a F Contra, or do you mean the F trigger on the BBb? [like mine] :mrgreen:
When I first looked at the picture, I thought maybe it was the fabled
"Bonezilla" or the "Tubone" that Innova Brass was supposed to be
developing, but dropped that theory once I read the picture caption. :oops:

Re: What brand is this?

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:00 am
by TubaRay
schlepporello wrote:It looks like that Maynard Ferguson Superbone, I don't remember who makes it though.
Is that the same Superbone that met the Badman in that old jazz chart(Superbone Meets the Badman)?
[Yes, I know. What's with the ridiculous humor? I don't have an answer. I'm tired. I think I'll go to bed, now.)

Re: What brand is this?

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:17 am
by imperialbari
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Re: What brand is this?

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:13 pm
by tubashaman2
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Re: What brand is this?

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:39 pm
by imperialbari
tubashaman2 wrote:It says Cimbasso. Could the valve set have been removed from the original bell and put on a normal bass trombone bell to make this?
Cimbassos come in various shapes. That term is not uniquely related to the bend versions.

Orsi of Milan makes a tuba shaped model.

I have seen photos of bend versions from Cerveny, Meinl-Weston, Kalison, and several others.

The Vienna Philharmonic for many years used a straight version, which was so front heavy, that the player had a hook for the bottom bow mounted on the music stand.

One odd sample was made as a giant bass trumpet for a player in a German opera house. His orchestra didn’t like that the bend versions had a fixed bell angle, which did not match the slightly downward angle of the trombone bells.

A more recent Vienna model has the bell mounted vertically on the body. The bell tail then bends backwards in a full circle, so that the bell passes down past the players left ear and comes to the front in the position of a normal trombone bell. Strange look.

Klaus