Interesting horns used in 1958 Dutch film "Fanfare"

[David Richoux]

This youtube clip of a film by Bert Haanstra ( somewhat similar in theme to the UK TV film "Shillingbury Blowers") has some nice shots of Post-WW2 miscellaneous brass. However, they do use what sure looks like a fiberglass Sousaphone - I thought they were developed in the mid 1960s, not the late 1950s! Any confirmation as to when "plastic tubs" were first produced?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR5_xHEHAfo

there are other clips and "makings of" in the related, but ik spreek niet de taal.
Some nice Helicon action here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHYz91cWI1A
According to some research, this was a very popular film in The Netherlands, won several awards.

edit - the name of one of the bands is also cool: TUBANTIA (although this may refer to the region, or the SS TUBANTIA that was sunk in WW1.)

edit: BTW, just got DVDs of both the "Fanfare" and "Shillingbury Tales" via amazon.co.uk and they play on my Mac - Regional Codes are no problem (in this case, anyway! )

[Wilco]

hahahahhahahaha! The first movie is a spoof from the 90's

The 2nd one is genuine.....

The film gives a great feel of the 50's and band playing of all ages.

[David Richoux]

hahahahhahahaha! The first movie is a spoof from the 90's :)

The 2nd one is genuine.....

The film gives a great feel of the 50's and band playing of all ages.

could you clarify a bit? Do you mean a "Re-make" or parody when you say spoof?

[David Richoux]

http://tinyurl.com/cmavqj - apparently the town of Giethorn is a big tourist attraction with preserved buildings and waterways, and this cafe is decorated with instruments like those used in the original film. Very interesting double-loop helicon on their front page.

"For many years, Grand Café Fanfare for many a good start or a final visit to Giethoorn. The atmosphere of the film Fanfare of Bert Haanstra (1958) is carefully preserved. Those who visit the Grand Café, will slightly inside the world of the first Dutch film, which had 2 million visitors attracted to the cinema. It is littered with photos and other paraphernalia, such as the Fanfare banner and ship horn Rudi Meyer."

[Wilco]

hahahahhahahaha! The first movie is a spoof from the 90's

The 2nd one is genuine.....

The film gives a great feel of the 50's and band playing of all ages.

could you clarify a bit? Do you mean a "Re-make" or parody when you say spoof?

It's a parody, to be precise. My guess is that instruments from the brand Mahillon are most commonly used in that aera. My fanfare band still has some closet Mahillions (a flugel and a very small baritone). I use a 3 valve 3/4 BBb Mahillion for marching (instrument is in poor condition --> worn valves and rotted leadpipe, it has a very small shank btw (bassbone shank)).

ps.
The insiders joke (don't know if it's intentional) in the first movie is the use of a flute in the band. Fanfare's are not supposed to have flutes.

[P@rick]

hahahahhahahaha! The first movie is a spoof from the 90's

The 2nd one is genuine.....

The film gives a great feel of the 50's and band playing of all ages.

could you clarify a bit? Do you mean a "Re-make" or parody when you say spoof?

The first one is a parody.

[David Richoux]

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It's a parody, to be precise. My guess is that instruments from the brand Mahillon are most commonly used in that aera. My fanfare band still has some closet Mahillions (a flugel and a very small baritone). I use a 3 valve 3/4 BBb Mahillion for marching (instrument is in poor condition --> worn valves and rotted leadpipe, it has a very small shank btw (bassbone shank)).

ps.
The insiders joke (don't know if it's intentional) in the first movie is the use of a flute in the band. Fanfare's are not supposed to have flutes.

Wilco,

Can you tell us more about the roots of alternative "Fanfare Bands?" (not just the one in the film.) Is there a relationship to Guggenmusik bands of Switzerland, Austria and Northern Italy, or is it a separate thing? What sort of events do you play for? Many of us might have seen the "Orange Band" that played at some Olympic events a few years ago, and I have a few CDs from "Ces't Tout" that I found in Hoofddorp - sounds a bit like a drinking good time band, or a US college "Pep Band"

The websites I have found do not seem to translate well, but I see Fanfare bands mostly from France and the Low Countries - and there are a lot of them. They look like they are a lot of fun to be in!

[Tuba Guy]

sounds a bit like a drinking good time band, or a US college "Pep Band"

There's a difference?

[Wilco]

Well... I don't know much about its roots... My best guess is it roots from the millitary. I don't know the other species of band you mentioned.

We play things like this: http://www.gobelin.nl/music.aspx?id=4" target="_blank" target="_blank

And many other - serious - works for band. Aside the intrumentation it's - I guess - very comparable to a windband or concertband. Party repertoire has nothing to do with it . Many Fanfare's do not only give concerts but do marching as well, usually accompanied by a drumcorps.

Instrumentation:
Saxaphones - Soprano, Alto I & II, Tenor, Baritone
Flugels - I, II & III
Trumpets - I, II & III + Eb Trumpet (optional)
Trombones - I, II & III
Horns - I - IV
Euphonium (tenor tuba) - I, II
Baritone (often a Euphonium as well) - I, II
Tuba - EEb and BBb
Percussion

Tenor Tuba, EEb and BBb parts come standard in Bass clef in Bb , that's right in Bb (you'll have to transpose, most people learned to read this as their only key (like treble clef in Bb)). A pain in the butt if you are a concert pitch person . Most parts are nowadays also available in Treble clef Bb or bass clef concert pitch.

btw: BBb parts bass clef in Bb are transposed up an octave plus 1. ( a middle C in concertpitch is a low Bb in transposed bass clef in Bb)

[P@rick]

Well... I don't know much about its roots... My best guess is it roots from the millitary. I don't know the other species of band you mentioned.

We play things like this: http://www.gobelin.nl/music.aspx?id=4" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

And many other - serious - works for band. Aside the intrumentation it's - I guess - very comparable to a windband or concertband. Party repertoire has nothing to do with it . Many Fanfare's do not only give concerts but do marching as well, usually accompanied by a drumcorps.

Instrumentation:
Saxaphones - Soprano, Alto I & II, Tenor, Baritone
Flugels - I, II & III
Trumpets - I, II & III + Eb Trumpet (optional)
Trombones - I, II & III
Horns - I - IV
Euphonium (tenor tuba) - I, II
Baritone (often a Euphonium as well) - I, II
Tuba - EEb and BBb
Percussion

Tenor Tuba, EEb and BBb parts come standard in Bass clef in Bb , that's right in Bb (you'll have to transpose, most people learned to read this as their only key (like treble clef in Bb)). A pain in the butt if you are a concert pitch person . Most parts are nowadays also available in Treble clef Bb or bass clef concert pitch.

btw: BBb parts bass clef in Bb are transposed up an octave plus 1. ( a middle C in concertpitch is a low Bb in transposed bass clef in Bb)

In the Netherlands it's common for most villages and city's to have a Fanfare or Harmonie. A Fanfare is only brass, saxophones and drum. A Harmonie has no flugelhorns and soprano sax., but has woodwinds like clarinet, flute and oboe.

In my region of the Netherlands each village has such a community band. City's may have more than one. They are born out of medieval bands who play military music. Later it became more and more common for each village to have it's local band like fanfare or harmonie. These bands were some kind of community service and played and marched at al kinds of community festivities and did concerts. Our Fanfare still plays at community festivities and organizes concerts to play with one ore more other fanfare/harmonie.

These days some fanfare/harmonie don't do community services anymore and focus only on concerts.

For these bands it's common to have Eb tuba written in Eb and Bb tuba in Bb. This means that I (as a Eb tuba player) can pick up a Bb tuba (and his scores) without learning new fingers.

Regards,
Patrick

[David Richoux]

OK - the Fanfare bands are mostly dedicated, chart reading community bands. Got that!

The other bands I was referring to (like C'est Tout) http://www.cest-tout.nlare more like "Carnival" or "Street Bands" http://tinyurl.com/btf8yo and I was just wondering if you knew about them as well. There is a classification of music/musician called "carnavalskraker" that I am interested in - having some problem with translation. I found this Youtuba clip (with lots of tuba after the singing gets going)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxEKNW7gVEc
http://www.zizikwekwe.nl/ is their homepage.

I am on a Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StreetBand/ that gets into that subject more, on a world wide basis.

[David Richoux]

sounds a bit like a drinking good time band, or a US college "Pep Band" :P

There's a difference?

At first I wrote "drunken good time band" but I do know there are a few non-drinking bands around.

Not many...

[David Richoux]

My diligent research (in collaboration with a few other investigators) has found yet another classification for "Drunken Carnival Bands Wandering Around the Streets of The Netherlands playing drinking songs:"
"Dweilorkesten" (or "Mop Band" - maybe because they "mop up the streets," or because they wander around like a random floor mopping pattern...)

Anyway, lots of Sousaphones and low brass, really basic playing - but some of the bands are sounding "tight!" The Southern Dutch equivalent to Guggenmusik, I suppose, but there might be different origins.
http://www.dweilorkesten.info/YouTube will get you a list of bands on the left side and a lot of video clips. The site http://www.dweilorkesten.infois a portal for all of the bands in this style.