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The PT-88 is always a good choice. Mouthpieces don't get too much larger.

tubaguy055 wrote:The PT-88 is always a good choice. Mouthpieces don't get too much larger.

Totally disagree...the PT-88 would be a horrible choice for a bass tuba, and doesn't match Bob's preferences at all. It's simply too big for almost any bass tuba.

A PT-68 or PT-80 would be a much better choice. PT-80 is a bit wider than you'd like, but the PT-68 is closer to the Bach 18 width.

Read more about the Perantucci "German" style mouthpieces here. They'll have the more rounded inner rim you desire.

I would think of something along the lines of an FC Helleberg (more open Helleberg 7B / Conn 2). Medium sized mouthpiece gives a clear focused sound on a big CC, but about the largest piece you can effectively get away with on a F if you want a big dark sound.

Bob1062 wrote:What are some large to very large bass tuba mouthpieces? I prefer a Bach 18 style rim with a rounded inner and decent width without being 24AW wide.

Not just large mouthpieces IN a bass tuba, but large mouthpieces designed to work in a bass tuba.

How about a LM-12 or 10?

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Tone-wise, I have more of a power sound concept though I get a different feel depending on what kind of horn I am playing (big and fat on sousaphone, power on a Miraphone, I don't have a bass tuba now and haven't played one in about a year ).


Thanks!

I wouldn't necessarily put the LM-10 and LM-12 in the company of "very large bass tuba mouthpieces". As I've said in previous reviews, the LM-10 is a "C4 on steroids". Cuppy design, verrrry slight undercut, big throat and backbore. I've found it works very well on big rotary CC horns. Those who've used it on F tubas have described the sound as "very direct", and capable of annihilating an orchestra. It's also been successful with sousaphones.

The LM-12 is really more of a special effects mouthpiece. The design, I can guarantee, is totally unlike anything you've ever seen. It's virtually impossible to draw any coherent comparisons with other mouthpieces, and it's sorta in a category unto itself. The cup design is extremely radical - huge undercut, very shallow with a flat bottom, huge throat and backbore. Deadly in the low register, and back in my collegiate marching band days, it could cut through through and be heard over 16 sousaphones in a 300 piece marching band. I'm not saying it was art, and there may have been some alcohol involved! For all it's violent potential, however, it's a surprisingly efficient mouthpiece that almost forces you to relax when you're playing it. Muscling it the way you might other pieces will only shut it down.

Neither one of these mouthpieces would I otherwise think to mention in the same breath as a Bach 18 or 24AW. Not necessarily better or worse - just completely different animals...

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Bob1062 wrote:... by 18-like width I mean the width of the actual rim itself and not 32-ish millimeters in size. So not as wide as the rim on a 24AW (although, maybe?) but definitely no thin rims.

Have you tried a Bach 7? Not sure how the rim width compares (I've never played on an 18), but I would think it'd be fairly close.

FWIW, I used a PT-48 on a Yamaha F in graduate school. It was a very large mouthpiece for an F tuba, but I prefer a large mouthpiece even for high register playing. My philosophy is heavy on large volumes of air with as little restriction as possible.

I am an odd bird, though.

The PT-65 is a shallow mouthpiece about the I.D. of a Bach 18 (32.00mm). However, the rim is slightly rounded.

Try the PT-90. Works great on my Melton Eb and I hear is popular with quite a few other Eb players.

I think it matches your criteria, although I would not call it "very large"? But it is deep and gives a good full tone - ideal for an Eb.

BTW In the UK we would consider a 24AW an Eb mouthpiece and an 18 for BBb.

I really like a Bach 22 on bass tuba. The rim is very similar to the 18 but is a little smaller.

If you like the Bach 18 rim try a Bach 25 or the already mentioned Bach 22.

good luck,
Mark

Mike Forbes (viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31967) is giving away a Bach 22 in decent shape for the cost of shipping. Seems like a good shot to take!

Matthew Gilchrest wrote:Mike Forbes (viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31967) is giving away a Bach 22 in decent shape for the cost of shipping. Seems like a good shot to take!

I love the Bach 22. If I wasn't trying to cure my mouthpiece addiction I would have been all over that deal.

CHeck out the Wick 2L or the 2SL. I play a 2SL on my e-flat, and it works well. It's a fairly large mouthpiece, and the rim is similar to an 18 rim...very comfortable.

The marcinkiewicz H2 is worth a try.

Mwtuba32 wrote:The marcinkiewicz H2 is worth a try.

If you want to be tried for attempted murder, that is...

The Jackson wrote:

Mwtuba32 wrote:The marcinkiewicz H2 is worth a try.

If you want to be tried for attempted murder, that is...

Eh?

Tubenet colleague "bill" had a Dillon F2 for sale recently, a bass tuba mouthpiece. I have the F1, and it's pretty large - wider than a C4 - and somewhat shallow and ambiguously funnel shaped. I might be able to come up with dimensions, but doesn't matter, what counts is the dimensions of the F2, and I don't know - at the time Dillon mouthpiece information was available, it was sketchy on the difference between them. (Lots of stuff about what a whopping sound you could expect to get, but little usable information.)

The H2, while slightly less deep than the H1, is still a monster 'piece. I think that the H2 is strictly for the big horn.

The Jackson wrote:The H2, while slightly less deep than the H1, is still a monster 'piece. I think that the H2 is strictly for the big horn.

The H4 would probably be better suited to a bass tuba. Given Bob's dislike of Helleberg-type mouthpieces, the N4 might work even better. Might also think about the ETU-1 (slightly smaller I.D.), and maybe the ST-3 and ST-4 (smaller yet).

I assume you are talking about inner rim diameter since you mentioned only 33mm + mouthpieces in your post. I would try the LM-10 and the Baer mouthpiece. You can also PM Bloke his piece has a 33mm inner diameter as well.

Donn Wrote:

Tubenet colleague "bill" had a Dillon F2 for sale recently, a bass tuba mouthpiece. I have the F1, and it's pretty large - wider than a C4 - and somewhat shallow and ambiguously funnel shaped. I might be able to come up with dimensions, but doesn't matter, what counts is the dimensions of the F2, and I don't know - at the time Dillon mouthpiece information was available, it was sketchy on the difference between them. (Lots of stuff about what a whopping sound you could expect to get, but little usable information.)

The F2 Dillon is a very large Bass Tuba mouthpiece and it is still for sale. For someone, like me, who likes Josef Klier T8 and Conn 3 and Dennis Wick 4 sized mouthpieces, it is quite a bit too large but if, you like larger mouthpieces, this is a good one to try. The one I have is still for sale and is an F2 B, where the "B" indicates it is bronze, not brass. Get in touch with me if you are interested in trying it. I hope the picture shows what I mean. The F2 B is on the left in these pictures. To get a size comparison, the mouthpiece on the right is a rather large one, a Dillon Chief.