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Why I should probably use a bass tuba for quintet.

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 10:28 am
by tbn.al
'cause the partials get real close sometimes.
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At least I don't have to worry about fingerings.

Re: Why I should probably use a bass tuba for quintet.

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 11:27 am
by tbn.al
the elephant wrote:
Remember - it is just a G. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Easy for you to say! Actually it's not really the "high" that is the problem. I can screech out the G above that although no one in their right mind would want to hear it. The problem is that even though it gets to the G chromatically my ear prefers the Ab, and the partials are soooo close. It helps on the 184 to play the F# 1st and the G 2nd. At that it is still a crap shoot. But it's a written out ad lib solo so I can just pretend that what ever comes out is what really I wanted.
BTW your memory is excellent!

Re: Why I should probably use a bass tuba for quintet.

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 11:31 am
by pwhitaker
The first time we played through that in the 195th Army Band Brass Quintet the first trumpet looked at me after that set of licks and asked "Was that actually written, or were you just screwing around?"

Re: Why I should probably use a bass tuba for quintet.

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:47 pm
by Todd S. Malicoate
tbn.al wrote:...it's a written out ad lib solo so I can just pretend that what ever comes out is what really I wanted.
Excellent point. Since you are aware of that, you can (at your discretion) take (most of) the first 3 bars down an octave and jump back up on the last note in bar 42...I won't tell anybody. :D

Re: Why I should probably use a bass tuba for quintet.

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 2:53 pm
by Z-Tuba Dude
Is that arrangement one that is really worth getting?

Re: Why I should probably use a bass tuba for quintet.

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 3:48 pm
by hbcrandy
I have been playing Rosenthal's "Little Brown Jug" for years on my CC tuba. However, rather than trying to be a "hero" (I can show you a graveyard full of dead heroes.) I start the solo (beginning 9 measures before letter "E") down one octave and work up to the "Bb" above the top line of the staff. The high "Eb" preceding the "Bb" to which I referred is replaced by a "Ab" on the top line of the staff to complete the scalewise ascent to the "Bb" on the third beat of the second measure of the solo. The rest of the solo is quite easily workable on CC tuba.

There are those that like the bass tuba in the brass quintet for its lighter sound and blend with the rest of the instruments. I personally like the sound of a CC tuba to put a good bottom on the ensemble. But, I have heard many great quintet players who do a wonderful job on the F or Eb tubas.

Re: Why I should probably use a bass tuba for quintet.

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 7:48 pm
by Steve Marcus
Todd S. Malicoate wrote:
tbn.al wrote:...it's a written out ad lib solo so I can just pretend that what ever comes out is what really I wanted.
Excellent point. Since you are aware of that, you can (at your discretion) take (most of) the first 3 bars down an octave and jump back up on the last note in bar 42...I won't tell anybody. :D
Is there an actual commercial recording of the arrangement with the tubist playing the ink precisely? Hmmm...

Re: Why I should probably use a bass tuba for quintet.

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:47 am
by TexTuba
That looks FUN!! :D

Re: Why I should probably use a bass tuba for quintet.

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 9:01 am
by bearphonium
Hmmm. Think twice, post 13 times? Coincidence??

Re: Why I should probably use a bass tuba for quintet.

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 9:03 am
by pwhitaker
Evidently Elephant hiccoughs are more severe and pervasive than those of humans.

Re: Why I should probably use a bass tuba for quintet.

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 11:55 pm
by sloan
the elephant wrote:We did this in my Army band quintet all the time. I played BBb only in those days. It took some work, to be certain, but I always thought that the section in B major right after it was more of a challenge because of the intonation issues at that volume. I like all of it save for the little spots at the end where the trumpet part is written so that the player sounds like he is lost. Rosenthal was a hornist in the LA Phil (or at least an active LA player) who played - maybe - with Bobo. So that part was possibly written with him in mind.

Rosenthal did several other works, "Three Renaissance Madrigals" comes to mind as a good one, and his setting of the Brahms "Es ist ein Ros entsprungen" being less good, by a decent amount…
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