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One of the horn lists provided this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC3UvJpxXO8

The history of that horn is here:

http://www.rogerbobo.com/instruments/bass_horn.shtml

Klaus

Such a monster of a horn! I'd like to play on that someday. I'm sure you could really crank a Mahler symphony on that thing!

And you already own a custom slide trumpet that was made by the same guy that made this one:

Once in awhile something comes up, here that I connect to. This horn was delivered to Roger Bobo at the 1978 ITEC conference in Los Angeles (on the USC Campus). I was standing near the door at the back of the room when someone (I think the builder) came by. The horn was in a tattered green garbage bag. Roger Bobo was thrilled to have it and, at the urging of the assembled munchers, blew a couple of notes on it. It was one of many wonderful things happening, during that conference.

Nice horn, Nice memory.

Søren wrote:And you already own a custom slide trumpet that was made by the same guy that made this one:

Hi Thats not Roger Bobos Horn That Horn belongs to Tim Sullivan I should Know He seting in my shop In Boyertown, Pa. Were the picture was taken .. Thats were I made the horn. Harvey Hartman is the builder of that Horn. Roger Bobos horn is a little smaller, Roger Bobo was Tim Sullivan tuba teacher. If you Blog Harvs Happy Horns you see a few more I Made and 24J That I cut to CC and add a 5th valve Thanks Harv.

Harvey Hartman wrote:

Søren wrote:And you already own a custom slide trumpet that was made by the same guy that made this one:

Hi Thats not Roger Bobos Horn That Horn belongs to Tim Sullivan I should Know He seting in my shop In Boyertown, Pa. Were the picture was taken .. Thats were I made the horn. Harvey Hartman is the builder of that Horn. Roger Bobos horn is a little smaller, Roger Bobo was Tim Sullivan tuba teacher. If you Blog Harvs Happy Horns you see a few more I Made and 24J That I cut to CC and add a 5th valve Thanks Harv.

One More Thing Thats cool about this horn The Bell,Valve section, and the Lead pipe are removeable Then The Horn goes into a SKB case ,,Thanks Harv.

Harvey Hartman wrote: Hi Thats not Roger Bobos Horn That Horn belongs to Tim Sullivan I should Know He seting in my shop In Boyertown, Pa. Were the picture was taken .. Thats were I made the horn. Harvey Hartman is the builder of that Horn. Roger Bobos horn is a little smaller, Roger Bobo was Tim Sullivan tuba teacher. If you Blog Harvs Happy Horns you see a few more I Made and 24J That I cut to CC and add a 5th valve Thanks Harv.

Just to be sure I understand you. You are saying that the instrument pictured in this thread is not Bobo's instrument and that you (Harv) made it.

The instrument referred to in the original post is Bobo's horn and you aren't saying that you made it. Bobo's horn lookes like this:


If you happen to know something about it, please do not post the location of the Bobo instrument, just to respect the owner's privacy.

Sorry Harv, I had to read your post several times to be sure I understood you. By the way, your blog pictures are interesting. Maybe you can build a whole family of alphorns in your spare time... a quartet!

Alex C wrote:

Harvey Hartman wrote: If you happen to know something about it, please do not post the location of the Bobo instrument, just to respect the owner's privacy.

The location is not "secret". If you follow the second link in the first post, you'll find out who owns it, which really isn't a surprise.

I cannot find Harvey’s blog.

Klaus

imperialbari wrote:I cannot find Harvey’s blog.

Klaus

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Blog+Harvs+Happy+Horns

http://harvshappyhorns.blogspot.com/

Welcome to the intarwebz!

And now I wonder about the pitch of that meat smoker!

K

Matthew Gilchrest wrote:

Alex C wrote:

Harvey Hartman wrote: If you happen to know something about it, please do not post the location of the Bobo instrument, just to respect the owner's privacy.

The location is not "secret". If you ............ you'll find out who owns it, which really isn't a surprise.

It wasn't about keeping a 'secret,' it was about privacy. I was trying to avoid having someone, trying to be helpful, post the street address or (God forbid) the phone number. I was hoping to prevent that. I also assumed that most people wouldn't follow up as thoroughly on present ownership as you did. Thanks a lot for drawing it to everyone's attention.

Alex C wrote:I was trying to avoid having someone, trying to be helpful, post the street address or (God forbid) the phone number. I was hoping to prevent that. I also assumed that most people wouldn't follow up as thoroughly on present ownership as you did. Thanks a lot for drawing it to everyone's attention.

So now, because I simply stated that the present owner whose name is mentioned in a link as previously posted, I have done some sort of wrong?

I read the article, recognized the name, and was done. You seemingly did not follow either of the links, and were confused that the horn attached to Bobo and the one pictured (held by Mr. Sullivan) are two different horns, and that Harv Hartman made the Sullivan instrument. Besides, how is it that you even came to think that Harv, who rarely posts other than to talk about his horns, would post the owner of the Bobo instrument when he probably doesn't even G.A.S.? Furthermore, if there was an issue of privacy, don't you think the current owner would have already taken that up with Mr. Bobo (or really his webmaster) and had his name removed from that page sometime within the last three years of the existence of that page?

And why come to the point of someone posting an address or phone number? How many times has that actually been done on this forum? That is an aggressive assumption.

imperialbari wrote:And now I wonder about the pitch of that meat smoker!

K

OH baby!!! The meat smoker!!! Today I am smoking 6 Pork butts for a Church Picnic. It takes 12 hours. I am shour that there will be some Pulled Pork tomorrow for lunch. If any of my tuba friends would like to stop by for lunch tomorrow here in Boyertown,Pa. 610-367-7232 always room for one more. I know I am need to talk only about Tubas on the Tubenet But Pulled Pork is right up there!!! Thanks Harv.

Couple things (ain't it always...)

In CC, I would call these Contrabass instruments, not Bass instruments (at least the Bobo instrument). And the “horn” nomenclature is debatable, I think.

The Bobo instrument does have a horn-like sound character, but there's a history with horns which sort of precludes this design as a horn per se. For example, look at High F descant horns versus their regular F counterparts. Same basic bore, similar bore profile, except longer leadpipe tapers and more cylindrical tubing. Heck, they’re often wrapped up to the normal F horn in a triple or double horn.

Next, look at historic horns. A full orchestral (natural) horn at the turn of the 19th century could be crooked all the way from C or Bb alto (C above normal modern F horn) down to C or Bb Basso. No change in bore, bell, tuning slide (if any), etc. I'll grant that the C Basso crooking is the same length as the Bobo instrument, but it's a very different instrument.

Now here's a Bass Horn:

http://www.svh.org.uk/gallery/engel" target="_blank" target="_blank

(scroll to the bottom of the page)

Still a horn, and still recognizably so. And basically in F with a C basso "crook" in the Vienna Style.

I'm doing some repairs on mine (Cat knocked it off its hanger - DOH!!!), but I built a 5v F instrument as a Bass horn. .474 valves, Conn 8D bell, and a slightly enlarged receiver to accept a slightly larger mouthpiece (still a funnel). And definitely a horn as well, and it in fact plays pretty well as a single F horn with a typical mouthpiece. I’ll try to post a picture of the repaired instruments.

So, while these instruments are very cool, they are - IMHO - not really horns at all, but tubas. Like the sousaphone, they're just wrapped differently, and have a very small bore.

Very cool, though, nonetheless.

J.c.S.

Didn't Robb Stewart make that horn? I was was just as interested in where this video was taken until I saw the caption. That certainly explains the room full of tubas.

This is Tim Sullivan, and I’m the one holding the overgrown french horn in Harv’s shop that was posted by Søren. I am the owner of the Sullivan / Hartman horn I have played the Bobo horn many times having studied with Roger Bobo in Lausanne Switzerland. Bobo’s horn is an excellent instrument with almost perfect intonation. I remember Bobo telling me that when he played in the Hollywood studios the horn players were afraid for their jobs because the bass horn sounded so good. I was tempted to buy it when Roger was selling his collection but I didn’t have the funds. I know the Bobo horn is in good hands now.

Since I come from a family of horn players who had started on trumpet, everyone thought that I would switch to horn after starting on trumpet. I knew better and went directly to tuba. After having played tuba for more than 25 years I thought now I can finally please my family by playing horn. This is the real reason why Harv and I made the horn.

Since I didn’t have the funds, (ask the present owner how much he paid for it..) I decided to make one with the help of Harv. We had already made a contrabass trumpet so it seemed like building the horn would be the next step. We built it together in the summer of 2008 and It was a challenging project that took many hours. The most difficult part was fitting the valves because we had to make linkages and reverse the valves for the left hand. Harv can do anything and he was was willing to attempt such a risky project. I live in Europe where there are some of the best instrument makers in the world but I knew that Harv and I could do it and we did !

As far as I can see, the Harvey horn is built on the basis of an Eb helicon, but I cannot quite tell if it is pitched in CC or in Eb.

As Søren hints towards I have a Reynolds Bb soprano slide trombone (not a slide trumpet) that Harvey made out of a wrecked tenor slide (so no mercy on the bore, which takes a tenor bone mpc) the tuning slide from the bone, and then the bell from a cornet. It can be played in tune, but the breath support shall be firm.

Still the best thing Harvey created is the smile on the face of that little guy with the miniature sousaphone.

Klaus

Due to the bell effect the single F horn has a main bugle slightly longer than that of an F tuba.

Low horn parts are taken down to concert G, albeit rarely so far. From Bb on they are played as pedals on the Bb side.

Low horns have no chance against trombones and tubas, so an ideal low horn part is the 4th horn of Mahler 4.

Klaus

I would offer that the size of the receiver (and, of course, the shank size of the mouthpiece that fits it) has everything to do with the "classification" (horn, tuba, whatever) of a brass instrument. It's a big part of the reason that a horn (on the F side) playing in the low register doesn't sound like an F tuba on the exact same pitch even though both open bugles are about 12 feet long. It's also a big part of the reason an Eb tuba sounds very much like a Bb tuba in their middle registers.

Bobo's instrument is a tuba because it uses a tuba-sized mouthpiece. Jim Self's fluba is also a tuba for the same reason...not a "bass flugelhorn."