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Trip to Gronitz and then Lätzsch and Thein
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:42 pm
by TheBerlinerTuba
Hallo Fellow Tubenetters,
I took a few pictures of my trips in Germany to Gronitz in Hamburg and then Lätzsch and Thein in Bremen. I'm sorry the quality of the photos is not the best, but I hope you enjoy!
Ciao,
2165
Hamburg Main Train Station
Gronitz entrance
F tuba in front and then PCK CCs
PCK CC
FP 125
FZ 126/7
Hirsbrunner Kaiser BBb
1970 BMW R75/5 in front of the shop...yes I know the front end is off a later model;)
Latzsch showroom
another showroom view
a very very old Contrabass trombone
Latzsch makes trumpets also
very cool valves
antique Kruspe
interesting trumpet
small signal horns
stunningly beautiful mouthpieces from Latzsch
Sackbutt
Antique tuba with Berliner valves
Carbon valve from a compensating rotary euphonium
F Cimbasso and Contrabass trombone...best Cimbasso I've ever played!!
Small Alexander F in for repair
Carbon valve for BBb Kaiser tuba
ditto
Latzsch valves use roller bearings instead of bushings.
On to Thein then...new F tuba design
Close up
CC Tuba
CC Tuba
Back view of the new F tuba
The older style Thein F tuba
Close up
Thein CC tuba
Thein F tuba
Re: Trip to Gronitz and then Lätzsch and Thein
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:01 pm
by Tubadork
Awesome, thanks. Does Gronitz have 2 styles of F tuba? In the pic with the PCK's the F in front has a squiggle in the leadpipe and the pf125 that you are playing, the leadpipe is normal.
Thanks, great pics,
Bill
Re: Trip to Gronitz and then Lätzsch and Thein
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:11 am
by Cameron Gates
Tubadork wrote:Awesome, thanks. Does Gronitz have 2 styles of F tuba? In the pic with the PCK's the F in front has a squiggle in the leadpipe and the pf125 that you are playing, the leadpipe is normal.
Thanks, great pics,
Bill
The first one does not look like an F. It seems a little long with the additional wrap and all. Is this an EEb?
Re: Trip to Gronitz and then Lätzsch and Thein
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:54 am
by imperialbari
tuben wrote:Whats up with the random piston valve in the leadpipe of the Hirsbrunner Kaiser BBb?
RC
Rather looks like the container for a spring system returning the 1st slide, when it has been pushed in.
Klaus
Re: Trip to Gronitz and then Lätzsch and Thein
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:12 am
by The Jackson
I didn't know Gustavo Dudamel played the tuba!
(Just kidding!)
Thanks for the great pictures, 2165. They're awesome!
Re: Trip to Gronitz and then Lätzsch and Thein
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:38 am
by TheBerlinerTuba
Hallo all,
The owner of Gronitz, Herr Klein-Horst reads this forum, so perhaps he can answer your questions? Bitte Herr Klein-Horst, ist das eine Es oder F in die Bilder?
I didnt play it so perhaps I was mistaken?
On the Hirsbrunner Kaiser, what appears to be a piston valve is actually a self centering device for the first valve slide. It allows you to push or pull and the slide will then return to its center.
As for Dudamel, he is so annoying...always calling me for advice on everything, from hair style to music...
Re: Trip to Gronitz and then Lätzsch and Thein
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:52 pm
by Peach
First tuba photo is the Gronitz Eb - no doubt.
2165, give us a run-down of how they all played please...
Re: Trip to Gronitz and then Lätzsch and Thein
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:31 pm
by cjk
The Thein CC tuba looks like a variation on a 4/4 Hirsbrunner rotary with the fifth valve tubing arranged so it will suffer as much damage as humanly possible.
The new Thein F tuba looks like a variation on a Miraphone Firebird with the valve slide tubing arranged just enough differently to look a bit different.
Re: Trip to Gronitz and then Lätzsch and Thein
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:40 pm
by Matt G
cjk wrote:The Thein CC tuba looks like a variation on a 4/4 Hirsbrunner rotary with the fifth valve tubing arranged so it will suffer as much damage as humanly possible.
The new Thein F tuba looks like a variation on a Miraphone Firebird with the valve slide tubing arranged just enough differently to look a bit different.
Are you implying that Thein tubas are probably not worth the exorbitant amount of money they want? lol
Re: Trip to Gronitz and then Lätzsch and Thein
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:36 am
by UTSAtuba
*whistles*
*drools*
*resumes life*
Re: Trip to Gronitz and then Lätzsch and Thein
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:27 pm
by J.c. Sherman
<<drool>>
<<drip>>
I would sacrifice critical portions of my reproductive anatomy for that Laetzsch F Bass Bone!!!
Oh, and I'll take all the tubas, please!
J.c.S. (slobber)
Re: Trip to Gronitz and then Lätzsch and Thein
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:43 pm
by Art Hovey
The carbon rotors seem interesting.
I wonder about their thermal expansion coefficients.
I have read that some of the plastic-filled Hirsbrunner rotors tend to stick when warm because they expand more than the surrounding metal. Does carbon avoid that problem?
Re: Trip to Gronitz and then Lätzsch and Thein
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:46 pm
by imperialbari
Mr. Einstein plays the Laetzsch F Bass Bone!!!
(Please compare to a popular British WWII text for the first strain of Colonel Bogey)
Re: Trip to Gronitz and then Lätzsch and Thein
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:57 pm
by tubamonster
I've never heard of carbon valves.
tubamonster
Re: Trip to Gronitz and then Lätzsch and Thein
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:27 pm
by oedipoes
2165 wrote:PCK CC
Hey, that's very nice !
I sit in that same chair with probably the same PCK some weeks ago.
The instrument does not at all feel as big as it looks in the picture... probably because it's relatively lightweight and easy blowing.
Nice pics 2165 ! Thanks for sharing.
You're in the best country to try tubas I guess.
Keep us informed about other tuba-related visits.
Man, if I only had the courage and cash to order a Gronitz BBb PBK...
Wim