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here is one and he is on here, so he would be the best person to ask. I played the prototype and it seemed like a nice instrument.
Bill

The "Bruckner" tuba is a fantastic horn. It has the size and power of a large 5/4 or 6/4 horn, but the articulation and intonation of a good 188. The notes slot very well, and slide-pulling is unnecessary for anyone with a strong embouchure. It is perhaps the most in tune CC tuba I have played.

I dig the horn so much, I may even consider selling my Yorkbrunnner. It is more versatile, and can get almost as large of a sound. It will never compare to a 6/4 in its organ-like qualities, but should be able to hold down the back of even the largest orchestras.

Since my tuba playing is limited these days, I haven't had a chance to play with a large ensemble, but I know the horn would fit quite well into any group. I think it is even nimble enough to be a quintet horn, if it was all one had.

Dylan King wrote:The "Bruckner" tuba is a fantastic horn. It has the size and power of a large 5/4 or 6/4 horn, but the articulation and intonation of a good 188. The notes slot very well, and slide-pulling is unnecessary for anyone with a strong embouchure. It is perhaps the most in tune CC tuba I have played.

I dig the horn so much, I may even consider selling my Yorkbrunnner. It is more versatile, and can get almost as large of a sound. It will never compare to a 6/4 in its organ-like qualities, but should be able to hold down the back of even the largest orchestras.

Since my tuba playing is limited these days, I haven't had a chance to play with a large ensemble, but I know the horn would fit quite well into any group. I think it is even nimble enough to be a quintet horn, if it was all one had.

anyone that can compare to a 191 BBb?

Wim

Dylan King wrote:The notes slot very well, and slide-pulling is unnecessary for anyone with a strong embouchure.

I have to disagree with this statement because I too own a 291 Bruckner CC tuba and there some slide pulling that has to be done in the 5th partial just like any other CC tuba. Then again I am a college student so that must mean I have a "weak embouchure"...

My last tuba was a 188 and the intonation on the Bruckner is way better than the 188. The tone is also much clearer and warmer than my old 188. Anyone who plays this tuba will NOT be disappointed! I found this tuba much easier to play overall and I am very happy with my purchase! I figured I would give my opinion even though I am not a professional.

Long Beach State Tuba wrote:there some slide pulling that has to be done in the 5th partial

I often see mention of the 5th partial on TubeNet, but must confess I do not really know what that is? Not terminology we use in the UK (at least in my circles). Please can you explain which note we are talking about?

Neptune wrote:

Long Beach State Tuba wrote:there some slide pulling that has to be done in the 5th partial

I often see mention of the 5th partial on TubeNet, but must confess I do not really know what that is? Not terminology we use in the UK (at least in my circles). Please can you explain which note we are talking about?

It's the fifth open note. That would be the open E in the staff on a CC tuba. The fifth partial notes would be the open E, 2nd valve Eb, 1st valve D, and 1+2 C# in the staff.

how its the sound compared with a mira 190CC?
It has the omnidirectional presence in sound?
Someone plays this two mira´s?

the 190 has a very focused sound for a BAT. The 291 feels more like a 4/4 horn for me ... a very large 4/4 horn but 4/4 all the same ... it is pretty versatile and nimble. The g to 1+2 a while slurring seems to have a little bump from pressure changes but I am certain with familiarity that wouldn't be an issue ... intonation seemed great on both. I could definately see playing bruckner symphonies on this horn. Maybe even some strauss.

Thank you Ztuba!

Hi-
If the production model 291 is like the prototype from last year's ITEC, it will be a fantastic CC tuba--the prototype was super! I thought it was the best 5/4 CC at ITEC.
Regards-
mark
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I played a pair of these at the factory in June and have to say that it is a VERY good instrument. It has a great sound, great intonation and the classic Miraphone valve action that we all know and love. Very easy to play but impossible to compare with the 191. The 191 has a more spread sound with less focus and the 291 is much easier to play because it is so well slotted. The low register is fantastic, but that is to be expected. Is it as good as a 188? Yes. Is it better than a 188? No, they are two different horns with different purposes. Yes, you will have to do some slide pulling, but with true tuning, every horn requires adjustment to get each note where it belongs. Even the 188 needs this.

Is it easy to play? YES.

Try it, you'll like it.

Just my observations.

Roger

I played a pair of these at the factory in June and have to say that it is a VERY good instrument. It has a great sound, great intonation and the classic Miraphone valve action that we all know and love. Very easy to play but impossible to compare with the 191. The 191 has a more spread sound with less focus and the 291 is much easier to play because it is so well slotted. The low register is fantastic, but that is to be expected. Is it as good as a 188? Yes. Is it better than a 188? No, they are two different horns with different purposes. Yes, you will have to do some slide pulling, but with true tuning, every horn requires adjustment to get each note where it belongs. Even the 188 needs this.

Is it easy to play? YES.

Try it, you'll like it.

Just my observations.

Roger

pauvog1 wrote:Can anyone tell me how it compairs to the Meinl Weston 2165?

The 2165 is a considerably larger tuba. One more similar in size for comparison would be the 2155

pauvog1 wrote:Does anyone know of any more reasonably priced horns that might be closer to the size of the 2165

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If you're committed to buttons, there is a piston version of the Neptune as well - though it's nowhere near as consistent as the rotary model. Both are pretty much identical to the 2165 from top bow to bell.

pauvog1 wrote:Can anyone give me more details on how the 291 differs from the 190 kaiser. Can anyone compair these to the Alexander 164 CC and/or 163 CC? I'm just Curious on how these big CC's differ.

There are a few things that I've learned (and still learning) through experience. First, the best way to compare horns, is to try the horn yourself. Second, the "Advanced search" button is a great tool to find many many posts that talk about most, if not all, the horns you have mentioned. I have found answers to many of my own questions using "the button". There's nothing wrong with being curious, that's how we all learn, I'm just offering some advice that might help out.

Joseph

Both the 188 and the 291 have a big, rich voice. The 291 is just, well, bigger. It has the same versatility and ease of use, but the sound is stronger and more "American" in nature. The 188 has a more "German" flavor to it. So they are the same, but different.

Hope this helps.

Roger