Fasolt MW 196

oedipoes · Post by **oedipoes** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:44 pm

bort wrote:"Hey, BBb is better than CC...do you believe us NOW?"

It actually is, whether you believe it or not.

oedipoes · Post by **oedipoes** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:47 pm

imperialbari wrote:My fears came true.

K

http://www.megamusicshop.com/product_in ... ad88i25gv5
A bit less on this site.
Does not seem to include a case or gigbag for the price... unbelieveable...

Wim

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:02 pm

Interesting the difference between 195 at 7,590 euro and 195/2 at 14,600 euro = 92% more for handmade version.

My understanding is that the standard model 195 price is kept as low as possible to be competitive for the extensive German band market, while most 195/2 would be bought by orchestral pros.

tubeast · Post by **tubeast** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:37 pm

Hmmm... unfortunately the catalogue leaves out a lot of MW´s tuba models. Little is being heard of the 197 (the big one with hardly any bell flare) and the model 200 (supposed to be a true 6/4 size, but I can´t find any specs).
So how does the 196 play ?

oedipoes · Post by **oedipoes** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:01 pm

tubeast wrote:Hmmm... unfortunately the catalogue leaves out a lot of MW´s tuba models. Little is being heard of the 197 (the big one with hardly any bell flare) and the model 200 (supposed to be a true 6/4 size, but I can´t find any specs).
So how does the 196 play ?

Used 197 4 valves in Austria for sale for 12800 EUR:
http://www.cerveny.co.at/tuben/bbb_tuben/melton_197.php
(I have no connection to the shop, they seem competitive in their Cerveny prices)
I guess a 197 is handmade too.

The 200, never seen one for real...

Wim

oedipoes · Post by **oedipoes** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:12 pm

Neptune wrote:Going by the picture, the Fasolt bell looks very much like the Neptune bell in profile. B&S and Meinl-Weston are the same company, so could be the case???

I notice they have also sensibly now moved the main water key on the Fasolt to the bottom of the tuning slide (instead of the side as on the Fafner)

BTW Looking at the Meinl-Weston website the 2165 is no longer listed, so wonder if that model has been discontinued (replaced by the Baer)?

compared to neptune

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:41 pm

oedipoes wrote:The 200, never seen one for real...

A picture I downloaded a while back

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:43 pm

oedipoes wrote:Used 197 4 valves in Austria for sale for 12800 EUR ...
I guess a 197 is handmade too.

Would be interesting to try one of those

There are so few 197 about, I too guess they are all handmade.

oedipoes · Post by **oedipoes** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:24 am

make your own conclusion, but I think I found a clue...
thought I'd seen that one before !!

oedipoes · Post by **oedipoes** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:39 pm

tuben wrote:
oedipoes wrote:make your own conclusion, but I think I found a clue...
thought I'd seen that one before !!
Close, but no cigar... wraps are different, and the bell flare looks different... the MW seems to have a more esthetically appealing bell taper....

Someone took a very close look at a Gronitz BZK before making the MW 196.
It looks 85% the same, the bell taper difference is a result of the angle of the picture, looks the same to me.
Even the large ferrules are the same.

•5/4 Größe "Fasolt" (Orchester-Modell)
•4 Zylinderventile
•Schallstückdurchmesser 50cm
•Bohrung 21,5mm
•Gesamthöhe 106cm
•lackiert

4 Zylinderventil
Instrument in Messing mit Neusilberzügen,
Mundrohr in Goldmessing
Bohrung = 20,5 auf 21,5 mm
Schalldurchmesser = 500 mm,

Come on, no sigar but maybe some cigarillo's...

Wim

J.c. Sherman · Post by **J.c. Sherman** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:49 pm

There are many important differences twixt those two: Different leadpipe length and shape, different valve wrap on some valves, vastly different tuning slide span and shape, inner bows of different lengths as a result... they are substantially different. However, you can still have your cigarillos.

J.c.

oedipoes · Post by **oedipoes** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:40 am

J.c. Sherman wrote:There are many important differences twixt those two: Different leadpipe length and shape, different valve wrap on some valves, vastly different tuning slide span and shape, inner bows of different lengths as a result... they are substantially different. However, you can still have your cigarillos.

J.c.

Thanks, I don't smoke anyway...
Sometimes you have to shake the tree to get a fresh apple.
I was just surfin' around the net to see what 'handmade' horns there are out there, with +/- the same specs as the 196.

I think the Gronitz BZK has a very fair price, as well as the PCK/PBK.
Too bad there was no PBK or BZK in stock when I visited the shop a month ago.

A part of me resists to buying a 10000EUR horn without having played it.
Another part says if a PBK is like a PCK, but with the 'advantages' of being in BBb, it should be a great horn.

Anyone tried the 196 already?

Wim

Steve Marcus · Post by **Steve Marcus** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:52 am

Can anyone post photos of someone holding and playing the 196 and the 200 to put them in perspective?

Lars Trawen · Post by **Lars Trawen** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:46 am

Steve Marcus wrote:Can anyone post photos of someone holding and playing the 196 and the 200 to put them in perspective?

Sorry Steve,
I don't have the 196 Fasolt pictured in my lap.
But I'm an owner of the 200 since many years.
Unfortunately it's today out of production but replaced by the 195 Fafner and 196 Fasolt but also the 197.
The 200 is a true German Kaiser tuba. 500 mm bell and 21.5 mm bore, 1140 mm tall.
Actually it's very similar to the 25 model, but substantially bigger, a 6/4.

Please see below a picture of myself together with the 200.

Without me but compared to the Rudi Bayreuth model, the 200 to the right.

J.c. Sherman · Post by **J.c. Sherman** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:24 am

'at's a big ___ tuba!

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:36 am

J.c. Sherman wrote:'at's a big ___ tuba!

Its player isn’t the smallest either. So much for perspective. Still thanks for the photos.

Klaus

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:55 am

Man's horn!
mark

Roger Lewis · Post by **Roger Lewis** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:37 am

I had a Fasolt at the Army Band Conference and quite a number of people played it and enjoyed the ease with which it played. It has a huge sound and plays extremely easily. The low register is very comfortable and not stuffy and for its size it is a very nimble horn. I couldn't get a real feel on the intonation due to the noise level, but nothing seemed out of place pitch-wise.

I think it is a very good instrument but probably not for everyone as I can't see using a horn that size for the quintet. It is probably close in size to the big Rudy. For my friend Richarrd, Bydlo was not really easy on this horn.

Just my observations.

Roger

sloan · Post by **sloan** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:58 pm

After hearing one played at TUSABTEC, Meathead's mother was heard to say "I'll have what he's having".

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:28 am

How does the Fasolt compare in overall size against Fafner? Any comparison photos?

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