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Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:35 am
by David Richoux
This article was in a recent Boston area newspaper, and
blogged here. A snip:
School music programs could soon find themselves on the chopping block if legislation passes that would require both public and private schools to have their musical wind instruments professionally sterilized, some local music educators warned.
The controversial legislation, which proposes requiring medical-grade sterilization before instruments pass from one student to the next, would be a death sentence for many urban and rural music programs already struggling with budget cuts, according to some local music educators.
I played on a borrowed Sousaphone for a few days in that very town last year and never felt like I was in any great danger. Seems like a scam to me! (A lot of comments in agreement with me on the blog and in the article.)
Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:13 pm
by imperialbari
bloke wrote:hint: Blow. Don't suck.
Apparently you just introduced Darwinism into tubism: Suckers won’t survive!
Telling from visual documentation a certain misinterpretation of Darwin apparently already has found its way into tubism: Survival of the fattest!
K
Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:36 pm
by bort
Who would enforce this?

Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:57 pm
by imperialbari
bort wrote:Who would enforce this?

The bugs, that is: those that avoid the windshields.
K
Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:06 pm
by peter birch
this is crazy, medical grade sterilisation is a process that requires that the device (or instrument) is cleaned to an internationally accepted standard (if I remember correctly it is EN ISO 15883, which applies to the US as well as Europe) inside and out, and then tested for residual proteins to be sure that it is clean, and then wrapped and exposed to a sterilising agent under controlled conditions, such as steam at a temperature of 134 C and 2 atmosheres of pressure for 3 minutes, or to some noxious chemical such as peracetic acid, either way I don't think a tuba (never mind a clarinet or a bassoon) would survive such a process, not that there are many sterilising machines big enough to accomodate a tuba.
they would be better off suggesting that each student gets a new out of the box instrument, which is not sensible or a new mouthpiece which actually might be.
Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:17 pm
by tubaguy9
yeah...I think it should be sanitation, not sterilization. Sterilization means basically killing all bacteria and whatever on the horn, sanitation basically means it would be very clean. We have ways of sanitizing a horn, but not sterilizing a horn...
Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:54 pm
by Dan Schultz
bort wrote:Who would enforce this?

Could add a one-way valve to the leadpipe. Sort of like the check-valve on bagpipes. There you go 'goodgigs'... time for another patent search!
Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:27 pm
by windshieldbug
What if they just sterilize the kids after each use?

Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:35 pm
by bort
Just use some of this (or similar) on the mouthpieces and get on with life.
If the horns start to smell, then yeah, get 'em cleaned. But otherwise, get real!

Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:44 pm
by peter birch
the elephant wrote:peter birch wrote:… they would be better off suggesting that each student gets a new out of the box instrument…
Those are not medically sterile either…
medically sterile really doesn't mean a lot, a medical device ceases to be sterile once you open the wraps. Give me a clean instrument any time.
Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:59 pm
by windshieldbug
Just hand out lots of these before band period...

Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:00 pm
by djwesp
a glance on the forum read (in my mind, anyways)
"enforced sterilzation of tubists"
...and that was a bill I'd support. We don't need you people reproducing!

Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:05 pm
by lgb&dtuba
windshieldbug wrote:Just hand out lots of these before band period...

Ah, the new required band uniform

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Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:26 pm
by tubaguy9
next thing you know, the new uniform will be a modified HAZMAT suit...

Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:48 pm
by bearphonium
If they sterilize all the tubas, where will the new euphoniums come from?

Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:13 pm
by windshieldbug
bearphonium wrote:If they sterilize all the tubas, where will the new euphoniums come from?

Is that what's know as a "euphamism" ?

Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:13 pm
by lgb&dtuba
G H Boyd wrote:This would be an impossible standard to keep or enforce.
You can't keep the students from putting their mouths on each others
mouthpieces.
Nuff Said.
GHB

Or each other!

Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:12 am
by peter birch
djwesp wrote:a glance on the forum read (in my mind, anyways)
"enforced sterilzation of tubists"
...and that was a bill I'd support. We don't need you people reproducing!

that would be by "TUBA"l ligation....
Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:16 pm
by TubaRay
peter birch wrote:
that would be by "TUBA"l ligation....
Which would probably lead to TUBAL litigation.
Re: Enforced Sterilization of your tuba?
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:19 pm
by sloan
G H Boyd wrote:This would be an impossible standard to keep or enforce.
You can't keep the students from putting their mouths on each other
That, too.