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Hi All,

I recently purchased a 5 valve EEb tuba from mr.Tuba in the UK.

Does anybody know a good book to practice the 5th valve?

Kind regards, Joost Jimmink

Congrats on the new tuba; presumably a MW 2040/5? Nice instruments...

Re the 5th valve I'm not sure there's "a book" to help with it. Just use whatever technical studies, excerpts and solos you do now.
All types of scales, chromatics and arpeggios below the staff will sort you out though.

Best,
MP

try "Bordoni" in the bass octave...

the elephant wrote:Um, any tuba book...

Yes I know, but i'm not really familiar with the fifth valve. So a book with fingerings/alternative fingerings would help...

Peach wrote:Congrats on the new tuba; presumably a MW 2040/5? Nice instruments...

Thx peach! No it is a Kalison AK2044, like in my avatar....

The only tuba I could find online by that number is an F tuba...

Scroll down, It's the picture on the top right:

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Are you sure it's a Eb?

So you have a comp 4 valve Eb and a non-comp 5 valve Eb? Good luck to your brain!

When I play a 5 valve Eb this is what I do-
Bb- 4
A- 523, 24 pull
Ab- 45
G- 234
Gb- 134 pull
F- 5134 push, 1234 pull, 5134 pull (I probably do the second one more than the third one)
E- all 5

There are times when I am on a 4 valve tuba and play it as a 3 valver, and there are also times when I plan a 5 valve tuba like a 4 valver for any number of reasons- easier fingerings, easier slurs (more of an issue for me on rotary tubas, example being playing 13 to 23 instead of 4 to 23), easier overall,.... There's almost always more slide pulling involved then so it really depends on what makes you more comfortable.

When I played a Melton 2040/5 Eb I used;

Bb = 4
A = 24
Ab = 54
G = 234, or 514 (depending on context)
F# = 5234
F = 5134
E = 51234

Just play some music with which you are already familiar that moves around in the low register. That way you will hear if you get it right!

That Kalison Eb is a new model to me also. It would be interesting if you could post a picture

Bob Kolada wrote:So you have a comp 4 valve Eb and a non-comp 5 valve Eb? Good luck to your brain!

I played a 981 and 2040/5 together for 2 years and had no problem switching between 5 valve and compensated, but then trying to play Eb and F did do my brain in!

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Take the trombone attitude: modify the combined lengths of tubing for optimal pitch. Only on tuba you cannot move the hand slide in small increments, you check the various fingering permutations for the best pitch.

Klaus

I'm not playing any 5 valve horns now, nor do I have access to one! I have a 4 valve Eb Conn Giant, a 3 valve Eb, and occasionally play a 4 valve Bb 187 and a 3 valve Bb sousa. On the Giant I can only play F 23 (low A works open) until I get the 1st slide flipped or something. On the 187 I usually play C 1234 pull (either 1 or 4).
I've always tuned the 5th valve so that 45 equals Ab (on an Eb tuba), and for me 5234 doesn't work. Actually or mentally. I also am not too fond of 523 but it works for faster passages.
I wouldn't feel right playing 5234 unless I had an easy to reach 3rd, 4th, or 5th valve slide as that combo plays sharp for me. On the 5 valve Hirsbrunner Eb I played this summer, I played F 5134 push and it worked fine. To me if I tune the 5th to give me Ab after 4=Bb, then it will be too short to take me from 234 G to 5234 F.
I've actually considered a 5th valve for the Giant, as while fake A-Gb are pretty good and are easy to smack low F and E aren't so hot. Ab-F is pretty good with the appropriate slide pulls when necessary. Bb and A are a better 13 and 123 but I currently don't have anything to pull for them, so I only play them as such when on the 5th of a chord or some such thing.

jon112780 wrote:Are you sure it's a Eb?

Yes I'm sure. It is slightly different as in the picture. There are no pictures on the net I believe. I think "tubamichael" has the same horn.

Let's see if I can post a picture...

Neptune wrote:I played a 981 and 2040/5 together for 2 years and had no problem switching between 5 valve and compensated, but then trying to play Eb and F did do my brain in!

The Besson has to go, unfortunately. So my only horn is the Kalison.

Thanks Wade for the peptalk, you are abosolutely right.....it is all about practice, practice, practice...

I tried out some of the fingerings mentioned in the previous posts, and I'm already a bit on the right track...

KR, Joost

the picture is correct.
Kalison produced the AK 2044 in F and Eb ...
Mine is that which was presented at the Frankfurt show.