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That is really an apples and oranges comparison. The YCB-822 is more of a 4/4 horn, and the YorkBrunner is a 6/4. If you're looking for a 4/4 CC, Hirsbrunner makes plenty of those.
If you're looking for a 6/4 CC, then a fairer comparison would be YorkBrunner vs. the YamaYork.
Either way, if you don't have a 4/4 or 5/4 CC, I wouldn't be looking at a 6/4 tuba, but that's just me.

The 822 is a 4/4 CC, the Yorkbrunner is a 6/4 CC.

The Yamaha has questionable intonation, and a distinctly 'unfocused' sound.

The Yorkbrunner has decent to good intonation, and a big, broad sound.

There's also a Yamaha 822 CC (used) on the board now for 4K. There's no way I would spend 12K for a new one. I can remember back when they were around 7K new. That's still way too much for THAT horn. I would rather buy any (piston) 4/4 Meinl-Weston or Perantucci CC unseen than get an Yamaha 822 CC.

Can you handle a 6/4? Do you need one? If the answer to either of those questions is 'no', then spend your $$$ on a smaller, less costly horn; that will take less effort to control.

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bloke wrote:(Assuming that the person who originally posted got his model nomenclature confused) how many 6/4 Yama-yorks have been offered for sale "used" at any price in particular?

bloke "just askin' "

One.

The only 822 I ever tried was a HUGE disappointment. That was almost 15 years ago and I never looked back. It wasn't the absolute worst playing-wise, but I thought the ergonomics were just awful.

einahpets wrote:I was thinking a Thor or a Miraphone 188, 190, or 186. What are your guys thoughts on this. And How hard is it to get a Yamayork?

Please don't take this as an attack. Your list reflects either a poor understanding of what tubas are available in the market, or (more dangerously) a poor understanding of your own requirements. I think the best advice would be to put the checkbook away, and find a way to get to a conference where many of these will be on display, and try them out. Not to find one to buy--but just to get a sense of what's out there and what the options are. While waiting for that opportunity, I would take whatever instrument you have and learn it to the point that you know exactly what its weaknesses are, and what you hope to achieve as a tuba player. Then, you'll be able to make more specific comparisons of instruments that at least fulfill the same basic set of requirements.

If you have no instrument now and have no basis for making any selection, and if you teacher can provide no guidance, then find a good, used Miraphone 186 or 188, learn to play it, and then use it for trade fodder if (and when) such becomes necessary to fulfill your requirements. There is no value in spending $15,000 on a new instrument only to discover that it doesn't meet your needs three years from now when that instrument will have depreciated by a third or more.

Rick "purchase decisions are based on knowing requirements, and requirements are based on what you will do with the instrument" Denney

Rick Denney wrote:
find a good, used Miraphone 186 or 188, learn to play it, and then use it for trade fodder if (and when) such becomes necessary to fulfill your requirements.

That was excellent advice, based on the circumstances you've described for yourself.

einahpets wrote:That will probably coast me the same as getting another tuba and that's why I am looking.

Maybe it needs an overhaul; maybe not. You should take it to a good repair technician and get an estimate for returning it to good playing condition. An overhaul includes considerable work done to restore the appearance of an instrument, and that costs a LOT more than just soldering broken braces back together and repairing linkages. Unless the valves are leaking and need to be overhauled, most play-condition repair jobs for instruments that are currently playable at all cost in the hundreds.

Rick "knowledge is power" Denney

What are you playing on now? Got a picture?

If you want a great horn with a robust voice, musical girth, etc. Good price for only about 1 to 1-1/2 years old in excellent condition. Not too big, not too small.....

Buy Frank Ortega's Thor!
It will be at the Army tuba euph conference this Saturday in Washington DC.
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Good luck in your quest!