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Postby MikeMason » Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:18 pm

Thinking of playing a little sousaphone.Any suggestions? any for sale near south alabama?
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Re: sousaphone

Postby windshieldbug » Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:25 pm

MikeMason wrote:Thinking of playing a little sousaphone.


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How little? :P
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Re: sousaphone

Postby imperialbari » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:28 pm

windshieldbug wrote:
MikeMason wrote:Thinking of playing a little sousaphone.


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How little? :P


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Re: sousaphone

Postby jamsav » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:58 pm

Buy old, buy brass- I just upgraded to a "new " horn. Swapping out my 75 yr old for a 30 yr. old...my new King plays great and it was under a grand !! It is the last sousy I will likely ever buy and this will have paid for itself before Memorial Day !!
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Re: sousaphone

Postby MikeMason » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:45 pm

Bug, u r sooo right! It will probably b very little :-)
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Re: sousaphone

Postby TUbajohn20J » Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:00 pm

Conn 20K, 32K, 14K, 38K, 40K or even 22K. period
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Re: sousaphone

Postby imperialbari » Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:45 pm

TUbajohn20J wrote:Conn 20K, 32K, 14K, 38K, 40K or even 22K. period


These fine Conn’s as period instruments? I would have considered many of them a bit heavy for the ladies.

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Re: sousaphone

Postby bloke » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:09 pm

Though I spent a silly amount of time adapting an old 40K 4-valve valveset to it, I've finally settled on the good-ol' FIBERGLASS (Elkhart) 36K (.734" bore).

- It's (truly) lightweight, and not just fiberglass.
- It puts out righteous (monstrously loud) sound (quality/quantity).
- It doesn't "r-i-n-g" like some brass-belled sousaphones.
- The pitch (except for a suck 1st valve 5th partial C) is excellent.

If you want something that requires even less work and that offers good intonation, try a King fiberglass.

I have some of these (both) lying around, in various states of repairable disrepair. I cannot respond instantly to a request.

The less cosmetic work that is done, the lower the price.

(If I receive ANY p.m.'s regarding this post, I would prefer that they ONLY come from Mike Mason at this time...Normally I only advertise for sale things that are READY to be sold. People become annoyed waiting for things for months and months.)
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Re: sousaphone

Postby Dan Schultz » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:15 pm

In my current 'stable', I have:

- custom-built 4V Conn helicon.
- Conn 4V 'jumbo' sousaphone.
- short-action Holton sousaphone.
- Conn 36K 'commode-o-phone' painted red, white, & blue.

Guess which one I play most and is the most fun? Yup... the plastic Conn. I even use it in an educational program to introduce ten-year-olds to music. The kids love it! It's fine for stand-up Dixieland stuff... and I can just toss it in the car without having to lug around a case or worrying about it getting 'dinged up'.
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Re: sousaphone

Postby windshieldbug » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:29 am

imperialbari wrote:Buggy minds are the funniest, but this little thing wouldn’t do for Im tiefen Keller.

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Re: sousaphone

Postby iiipopes » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:38 am

Indeed. Pre-Abilene Conn or Pre-Cyborg King. Occasionally you'll find a good Reynolds Contempora or similar Olds, but they are few and far between.
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Re: sousaphone

Postby bloke » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:57 am

iiipopes wrote:Indeed. Pre-Abilene Conn or Pre-Cyborg King. Occasionally you'll find a good Reynolds Contempora or similar Olds, but they are few and far between.


The Olds/Reynolds (virtually parts-interchangeable, except for cosmetic and bolt-to-the-fiberglass issues) are "in between" the Elkhart-issue Conn 36K and the King; The Olds/Reynolds has a larger (roughly Conn 36K-size) body, but retreats to the smaller 11/16" valveset bore size (as is experienced with the King).

As a more-the-occasional purveyor of used sousaphones, I try to avoid buying and selling the pre-1980 Olds/Reynolds fiberglass sousaphones for the following two reasons:

- Olds/Reynolds fiberglass bodies (and plastic bell flares) tends to be more brittle/less flexible (particularly over time) than King or Conn
- the Olds/Reynolds (and in particular the Olds) system of attaching brass to fiberglass is, frankly stated, dubious.

I'm not saying at all that Olds/Reynolds fiberglass sousaphones are bad instruments. I'm just saying that I don't want to sell them, thereby intimating responsibility for them.

bloke "who would tend to avoid Holton fiberglass sousaphones, yet has a pretty-yet-damaged one here that could be sold as-is, needing some gluing and other issues"
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Re: sousaphone

Postby iiipopes » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:46 am

What bloke said about the Olds fiberblaster. There is one in the band closet where I play, and I took it out a few years ago to see if I wanted to get it up and running. After dealing with exactly what bloke talks about, the flimsy attachment brackets and the weak joint between the brass and the fiberglass, I cleaned it, made sure it would work if a guy showed up needing a horn to play, and quietly returned it to its shelf to go back to sleep.

OTOH, I marched with a King fiberblaster in high school in the late '70's. Granted, I didn't know much about that sort of thing then, but it sounded good for what it was: good intonation, reasonable tone, durable to stand up to high school field & street marching.

If you get a Conn, and if you don't use a standard 120S Helleberg with it, then use either the shallower funnel, like the 7B for a rounder tone, or a Bach 18 variant, like the Kelly 18, for a brighter tone and projection. If you get the King, use a deeper mouthpiece, like its original King 26. A Schilke HII also sounds great on the smaller bore.
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Re: sousaphone

Postby bigbob » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:14 am

iiipopes wrote:Indeed. Pre-Abilene Conn or Pre-Cyborg King. Occasionally you'll find a good Reynolds Contempora or similar Olds, but they are few and far between.

GoodMorning ,IIIPopes.. is there any four or five valve Sousaphones in CC? if so which ones are they??and do the large sousy's produce as much sound as the 6/4's?? bigbob
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Re: sousaphone

Postby iiipopes » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:32 am

bigbob wrote:
iiipopes wrote:Indeed. Pre-Abilene Conn or Pre-Cyborg King. Occasionally you'll find a good Reynolds Contempora or similar Olds, but they are few and far between.

GoodMorning ,IIIPopes.. is there any four or five valve Sousaphones in CC? if so which ones are they??and do the large sousy's produce as much sound as the 6/4's?? bigbob


In a word, no. Generally, sousaphones are BBb and 3-valve. There are a few 4-valve models out there, like a particular Yammy or Jupiter model, or a couple of pre-WWII models. Historically, Eb souzys had 3 or 4 valves as well. The USA makers basically stopped making 4-valve BBb souzys around WWII.

There may be a few one-off C helicons in Europe, but because the market for souzys is concert band, as far as I am aware, nobody has ever manufactured a line of CC souzys.

Now as far as sound, the Conn 38K is quite seismic. Yes, I would put it, and its 4-valve brother the 40K, in the 6/4 class.
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Re: sousaphone

Postby TUbajohn20J » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:46 pm

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Re: sousaphone

Postby hrender » Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:31 pm

FWIW, Lee Stofer has a Buescher sousaphone for sale that looks really sweet.
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Re: sousaphone

Postby MikeMason » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:19 pm

I think I've found just what the dr ordered.a 40ish year old king fiberglass I can borrow indefinitely or buy for cheap.a neck and a missing water key and I'm ready to play.now,somebody teach me to play new Orleans style jazz/funk ;-) thanks to all ...
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Re: sousaphone

Postby MrBasseyPants » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:46 pm

iiipopes wrote:Now as far as sound, the Conn 38K is quite seismic. Yes, I would put it, and its 4-valve brother the 40K, in the 6/4 class.


I've had my 40K for just under two months....it rocks...and does seem much larger than the Holton Collegiate I have had as a "wall decoration" for years....but it's hugeness seems to pale in comparison to the King Grand Symphony who-sa-ma-whatsit I used in College....I think it was a 1251. Gi-normous bell and body....but not a Giant...

I just played the King last October for alumni marching band....and I wish I had it next to me to compare the size....I guess I'll have to wait until 2011! ...Although it was reassuring that the 40K is huge....I had to "adjust" my Hercules stand to accommodate it's bell throat! :)

I love the pic of the Brass 40K above my post....my 40K is Satin Silver. Were most Sousas in this era Silver or Brass? Which is generally more coveted?

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Re: sousaphone

Postby KiltieTuba » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:06 pm

MrBasseyPants wrote:
iiipopes wrote:Now as far as sound, the Conn 38K is quite seismic. Yes, I would put it, and its 4-valve brother the 40K, in the 6/4 class.


I've had my 40K for just under two months....it rocks...and does seem much larger than the Holton Collegiate I have had as a "wall decoration" for years....but it's hugeness seems to pale in comparison to the King Grand Symphony who-sa-ma-whatsit I used in College....I think it was a 1251. Gi-normous bell and body....but not a Giant...

I just played the King last October for alumni marching band....and I wish I had it next to me to compare the size....I guess I'll have to wait until 2011! ...Although it was reassuring that the 40K is huge....I had to "adjust" my Hercules stand to accommodate it's bell throat! :)

I love the pic of the Brass 40K above my post....my 40K is Satin Silver. Were most Sousas in this era Silver or Brass? Which is generally more coveted?

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You're referring to the 1265 jumbo, right, the one called "Big Bertha"? Cause the Giant 1270 model isn't quite as large (body similar to a 20K and bell 28" compared to the jumbo body of the 1265 and 32" bell), but does have a larger bore .750" vs .687-9".
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