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German vs. American tubas pictured - apples vs. oranges

Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:42 pm
by MartyNeilan
I wanted to do a comparison picture of my Schiller CC (Miraphone 186 copy) and Conn Giant Eb. The pictures, although cell-phone-quality, typify the whole German vs. American differences. Although similar in size and capabilities, the tubas couldn't be more different.

The American style hollers, "Tuba, tuba, I love to play the tuba!" and the German style shouts, "I play the tuba, and you had better like it!"

Note: the "German" tuba looks a little taller than it actually is, due to the bottom bow guard.

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The American style has a much larger bell flare and bigger top and bottom bows. There is a short leadpipe and pistons of a very modest bore. Although the American style starts out smaller it ends up bigger. The flare is very rapid and conical and starts early; the second leg of the tuning slide is considerably larger than the first. Despite the smaller bore, the horn does not play stuffy at all, probably due to the valves being located so early in the taper.

The German style is more cylindrical in nature, has a longer leadpipe, and a considerably larger bore through its rotary valves. However, the taper does not begin until after the second leg of the tuning slide. Coupled with the longer leadpipe and the longer path through a rotary valve vs. a piston valve (this is rarely commented on,) this puts taper beginning much further down the horn than its American counterpart.

Which is better? Yes.

Re: German vs. American tubas pictured - apples vs. oranges

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:31 am
by MartyNeilan
He likes it! Mikey likes it!
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(As a side note, this post "answers" a question that comes up here frequently, yet it has hardly been viewed. The Truth Is Out There.)

Re: German vs. American tubas pictured - apples vs. oranges

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:14 pm
by Bob Kolada
What- no sound clips?!?! :D

Re: German vs. American tubas pictured - apples vs. oranges

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:18 pm
by iiipopes
You know, my detachable bell 186, with its Russian upright bell (St Pete retrofit) and its "American" styled recording bell (Stock Mirafone, but made with a wide flare for the American market) actually gives about the same impressions, which I wonder are extrapolations or projections of what we think of the cultures in general of the respective countries, rather than any absolute tonal quality.

And the modern 17 3/4 inch 186 bell simply says: "I am here," which a lot of people like, and a lot of people, like me, think has no personality.

Re: German vs. American tubas pictured - apples vs. oranges

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:53 pm
by peter birch
Just to throw a pear in - there is the British tuba, that thinks the music is perhaps the most important thing of all.
The tuba is (and whisper this - just in case one is listening) a lump of metal, are we not talking about the attitude of the players?

Re: German vs. American tubas pictured - apples vs. oranges

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:11 pm
by TexTuba
peter birch wrote:The tuba is (and whisper this - just in case one is listening) a lump of metal, are we not talking about the attitude of the players?
Thank you!! :D

Re: German vs. American tubas pictured - apples vs. oranges

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:42 pm
by MartyNeilan
TexTuba wrote:
peter birch wrote:The tuba is (and whisper this - just in case one is listening) a lump of metal, are we not talking about the attitude of the players?
Thank you!! :D
No doubt!
A few months ago, I posted how much I sound like me, no matter what tuba I use.
But, this unexpected photo opportunity seemed to show two "polar opposites" side by side.

Re: German vs. American tubas pictured - apples vs. oranges

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:39 pm
by iiipopes
peter birch wrote:Just to throw a pear in - there is the British tuba, that thinks the music is perhaps the most important thing of all.
The tuba is (and whisper this - just in case one is listening) a lump of metal, are we not talking about the attitude of the players?
I have one of those also -- in the 3-valve "Bosc" version as opposed to the 4-valve "Anjou" version.