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Josef Rieder wrote:On a recent trip to King's website, I noticed that they sell a nice-looking 4 valve euph. Where is it made?

Conn-Selmer-Steinway is the owner of the King lines of music instruments. Some of the King horns and some of the Conn horns are still being made at the old King factory at Eastlake, Ohio. I don't know which ones. I'm sure some horns are just being re-badged there.

King, Conn, Bach, and Holton are all under the Conn-Selmer-Steinway umbrella. Lord only knows exactly who makes the parts or does the assembly.

King, Conn, Bach, and Holton are all under the Conn-Selmer-Steinway umbrella. Lord only knows exactly who makes the parts or does the assembly

This is the reason I will not do business with them.

jameseuph642 wrote:

King, Conn, Bach, and Holton are all under the Conn-Selmer-Steinway umbrella. Lord only knows exactly who makes the parts or does the assembly

This is the reason I will not do business with them.

I didn't mean to come off negative in my previous comment but I guess it did sound that way. What really counts here is whether the horns play well... have a reasonable life-span... and I can get repair parts.

TubaTinker wrote:

Josef Rieder wrote:On a recent trip to King's website, I noticed that they sell a nice-looking 4 valve euph. Where is it made?

Conn-Selmer-Steinway is the owner of the King lines of music instruments. Some of the King horns and some of the Conn horns are still being made at the old King factory at Eastlake, Ohio. I don't know which ones. I'm sure some horns are just being re-badged there.

King, Conn, Bach, and Holton are all under the Conn-Selmer-Steinway umbrella. Lord only knows exactly who makes the parts or does the assembly.

Only the King instruments with the word "tempo" on them (300 series trumpets and trombones) are made offshore. All other King brasses, including sousaphones, tubas and euphoniums, are made in Eastlake.

jacojdm wrote:Only the King instruments with the word "tempo" on them (300 series trumpets and trombones) are made offshore. All other King brasses, including sousaphones, tubas and euphoniums, are made in Eastlake.

Made or assembled?

Since you're wondering about the quality of the horn, I have played a couple and found them to be very good quality. Especially if you can find one used for about $1000, you are getting about 85% of what a pro compensating horn will get you for very little price.

IMHO

Ryan_Beucke wrote:Since you're wondering about the quality of the horn, I have played a couple and found them to be very good quality. Especially if you can find one used for about $1000, you are getting about 85% of what a pro compensating horn will get you for very little price.

IMHO

I've been very happy with my King 2280 (if that's the one you're talking about) since I upgraded from the Yammy 321. The larger bore makes a huge difference. I'm actually considering upgrading again though, to a compensating instrument. I'd be willing to let mine go for a bit less than $1K, as it's got a few dents and dings and is missing the spring for the 3rd valve tuner... also it's stamped "CONN 19I USA". (Same horn though, really.) Rather than hijack your thread further, I'll go post an ad on the For Sale page now...

Josef Rieder wrote:Today I needed to kill sometime so of course went to you-tube and eventually came across some Conn-Selmer videos showing various aspects of instrument production at Eastlake and low and behold there were some shots of Euphoniums and Baritones being assembled.

This assembling you witnessed doesn't mean that the parts were not also manufactured in Eastlake. I have owned a Besson 967 comp, and a Yamaha 321 over the years, and currently a 1975 vintage B & H Imperial compensating and a King 2280. The King is right up there with all of them, well made, big sound, and excellent intonation. I agree with Mike Finn, the 2280's larger bore than the Yammy makes a big difference, and the sound is equally as good as the Besson I once had (IMHO). I personally find the Imperial a bit of a handful with some intonation aspects, but the King justs slots right in, particularly with the aid of the sprung third valve slide.

Josef Rieder wrote:Today I needed to kill sometime so of course went to you-tube and eventually came across some Conn-Selmer videos showing various aspects of instrument production at Eastlake and low and behold there were some shots of Euphoniums and Baritones being assembled.

A couple of years ago, I came across a Conn B-112 double-rotor bass trombone that was missing all of the rotor mechanisms and mounting plates. Conn-Selmer cataloged all of the parts but could not furnish a good picture as to how everything got mounted. I figured a quick call to Eastlake would get me some assembly drawings. I even talked to an engineer and challenged him to just go out on the assembly line and take a picture. He couldn't (or wouldn't) comply. Well... after purchasing all of the parts and scratching my head for a while, I found a good picture on the JUPITER website. I pretty much came to the conclusion that the B-112 trombone is most likely made by Jupiter and just re-badged as a Conn. That doesn't mean the B-112 is a bad trombone. Just probably not what you think it is.