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Hello all. Just thought I'd put the word out that I found (and now have copies of) the out-of-print band parts for "Beelzebub" by A. Catozzi. Great thanks go out to Russell Kramer, Director of Bands at Mason City High School (Iowa) for sending me the copies! If anybody needs the parts, feel free to contact me at fenne1ca@gmail.com" target="_blank.

P.S. The treble clef euphonium part is missing. The director I played the piece with just found a way to make the Horn 3&4 part work for them.

Thanks for posting

What a fun tuba solo

Toad Away wrote:What a fun tuba solo

Shame on you Tim!!! Don't you know that tuba solos are supposed to EDUCATE our audiences, yes all 7 of them on a good day, into believing that we only play HIGH ART. Fun? Hah, I think not.

Chuck"what would Harvey say"Jackson

Just for reference to any future replies, somebody has contacted me about putting the parts into Finale, but it'll take a little while. Once that is done, we can get PDFs and/or .mus files ready for anyone who needs them. Physical copies may also become an option since I (as a University student) have access to free printing.

fenne1ca wrote:I (as a University student) have access to free printing.

Free to you? ......... Perhaps.

It's official...there is no right/wrong any more.

Todd S. Malicoate wrote:It's official...there is no right/wrong any more.

I would say that you are right, but I'd probably be wrong.

I don't know anything about the copyright. I just know that the band parts are not produced for sale anymore, so I have no moral qualm with giving them away. If it turns out this is a copyright infringement, I will halt the project. In an effort to avoid possible infringements, I will ask that the solo part and piano reduction not be reproduced, since those can still be bought legitimately.

On a lighter note, I just realized one of the greatest benefits of the Finale-fication: this will result in a full score, rather than the piano-reduction score that is currently with the parts.

fenne1ca wrote:I don't know anything about the copyright.

Perhaps you should find out before copying?

From the Carl Fischer website (from the Guidelines for use of Carl Fischer copyrights - Out-of-print music):

If you wish to make copies of scores and parts of a band or orchestra publication, notify our Licensing & Copyright Department. They will send you 2 copies of an agreement which gives you permission to produce the number of copies that you have specified. In signing this, you agree that the copies are for your own use and you won't be selling them or giving them away; that the copyright notice as it appears in the original will also appear in the copies that you make, along with some indication that they were made with our permission and, that you will pay us a fee the size of which will be determined by the nature and extent of your photocopying. Sign both copies of the agreement, retaining one copy for your files and returning the other to us along with your check for the required fee.

There ya go, and the information was very easy to get. Since you admitted to having copies in your first post, I would suggest destroying them ASAP or notifying Carl Fischer and paying the fee.

Another great resource for finding things legally is the Chatfields Lending Library.

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Checking their library, it's there, and available for you anytime. Would have saved you a lot of work tracking it down. Now you know for next time.

A second option is the band that is posting things in PDF files for folks. Maybe they will take your piece and post it. They must have something worked out or don't mind taking a risk for us all.

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Before you spend anytime (if you get permission from publisher) putting it into Finale, just copy them as PDF files and send them electronically. It's easy to scan in and easy to send - no copies or shipping.

Finally - you might consider contacting Stephen Shoop who is doing a great service by publishing new versions of old tunes. http://www.ssmpub.com/servlet/StoreFront" target="_blank" target="_blank My Down in The Deep Cellar is there, maybe he'll add Beelzebub. I love that old solo, played it last year 5 times using my 1881 Higham Eb. Folks love that solo.

JKD

I apologize for my lack of knowledge. I know it was stupid not to look this stuff up, and now I have to disappoint the people who have contacted me about this. I got caught up in the excitement of being able to make these available again, and got too hasty. I still made considerations of legality (not producing the solo and piano parts, as they're still published), I just got too wrapped up in my own enthusiasm to go the full distance. It was an error of youth, and I apologize to anybody who was offended by it (as it seems there are a few).

Navytubaman wrote:Another great resource for finding things legally is the Chatfields Lending Library.

A great resource. They charge a modest fee to obtain materials which likely covers the publisher fee for out-of-print music.

Navytubaman wrote:A second option is the band that is posting things in PDF files for folks. Maybe they will take your piece and post it. They must have something worked out or don't mind taking a risk for us all.

Their welcome page ("Read Me First") addresses copyright and states that all of their music is public domain. Beelzebub isn't yet.

Navytubaman wrote:Finally - you might consider contacting Stephen Shoop who is doing a great service by publishing new versions of old tunes.

5 pieces in his tuba/band accompaniment section - also very old public domain works.

Looks like the only way to still obtain Beelzebub for a performance legally is to pay a modest fee. Copying willy-nilly is illegal!

Navytubaman wrote:Finally - you might consider contacting Stephen Shoop who is doing a great service by publishing new versions of old tunes.


5 pieces in his tuba/band accompaniment section - also very old public domain works.

Looks like the only way to still obtain Beelzebub for a performance legally is to pay a modest fee. Copying willy-nilly is illegal!

My suggestion to talk to Stephen is based on his great working relationships with publishers who have given him permission to reprint out of print materials. I WAS NOT meaning to imply any condoning illegal actions.

JKD

Navytubaman wrote:My suggestion to talk to Stephen is based on his great working relationships with publishers who have given him permission to reprint out of print materials. I WAS NOT meaning to imply any condoning illegal actions.

I didn't mean to imply that you did...at all. I don't know why you would even think such a thing. Must be my poor communication skills, but I still don't see any accusations leveled your way when re-reading the post. Stephen is doing great work that I fully support.

The five historic tuba solos available on my website are clearly in public domain. The folks at Carl Fischer said so-- in an email message from them to me. With Beelzebub-- things are not clear (in my mind). This is why I have not (yet) done anything with it, and it is not listed on my website. Fischer published an older version of Beelzebub predating the 1932 edition (1880's). It is virtually the same piece, but without full score. Does this mean it is in public domain? I'm not sure! I assume a piece IS copyright protected-- and owned by someone-- unless I can prove to myself that it is in public domain, or if someone "official" tells me it is okay to copy. Of course, the best way for a piece of music to be brought back into print is for there to be demand (market) for it. I believe Beelzebub and the other early solos have considerable historical and pedagogical value. Of course, that's just my personal opinion and probably a topic of discussion for another day. In the mean time, there are copies of Beelzebub out there that can be borrowed.

Reviving a darn old discussion, does anyone now have access to this work's band parts and know how to go about either procuring or borrowing them?

J.c.S.

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