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The only thing I know about this baritone is that it says The Jenkins Special on it. Anyone have any ideas who made it for them? I am leaning towards King but I have no clue...Thanks for your help

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Doesn't help much, but I don't know the Kansas area anyway.

I also came across this from some old sell list:


AH023 Alto Horn #4 - $55 Jenkins The New Jenkins Special <1900 brass pat. 1895, may have been made by Bohland and ****
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I also see a listing:

Jenkins Special Jenkins; J.W. w&b c.1922 catalog

from "Table of Tradenames" - http://www.horn-u-copia.net/pubtrade.php?sortby=name" target="_blank

bloke telling this being a Kansa retailer’s brand appears true. Apparently they had domestic as well as over seas sources for their instruments. This baritone in question looks American made to me: long bell - rather low top bow. Had the pistons been on top of the top bow the maker could have been French or (old) English.

Attached a few Jenkins samples from my gallery.

Klaus

Jenkins was a retailer in Kansas City who had other companies manufacture horns for them. This could be made by Conn or King. King used diamond shaped brace flanges so I tend to think it isn't King, but I don't recall a similar Conn model.

If someone else has any other input, it would be greatly appreciated.

I agree with where it came from I am just trying to determine who made it. I was thinking King/Cleveland cause I found this on Horn-U-Copia. It is a Cleveland and very similar although the second valve tubing is at a different angle...

I recognize this is an old post, but if this Baritone is still in possession, I may be able to identify it. However, I will need the serial number to be sure.

Conn

Braces scream Conn to me. At least, what I can make out does

Those braces are pure Conn.

On first glance, I would have said so are the valve buttons: Conn. BUT...isn't a standard design feature of Conn instruments with up valves to have the valve circuits go up and down, not just down from the ports? That does not exclude Conn making anything to any design on a stencil contract, but that would require some significant retooling. The valve buttons may be replacements.

iiipopes wrote:On first glance, I would have said so are the valve buttons: Conn. BUT...isn't a standard design feature of Conn instruments with up valves to have the valve circuits go up and down, not just down from the ports? That does not exclude Conn making anything to any design on a stencil contract, but that would require some significant retooling. The valve buttons may be replacements.

Not for the lower end instruments and their stenciled instruments, no. And they had a "baritone" as well that this looks much like.

J.c. Sherman wrote:Not for the lower end instruments and their stenciled instruments, no. And they had a "baritone" as well that this looks much like.

Thanks.

This who are saying Conn are pretty close. It's actually Pan American. Pan American was relatively independent manufacturing subsidiary of CG Conn. They were incorporated in July 1919, with their factory opening in September 1919.

CG Conn was a brand, a manufacturer and a holding company much like General Motors with GM, Cadillac, Buick, Chevrolet, ect subsidiaries. Pan American was one of CG Conn's. To call this aConn is like calling a Buick a Cadillac.

Pan American was the subsidiary from which all "Conn" stencils emanate. In their catalogs they even mention stenciling as a free service. I have the same baritone in my collection. This baritone is the 40I from the 1920s. What is interesting about my version is rather than the expected "P" prefix, mine has an "A" prefix, meaning it came from the International line of Pan American. Most of the Jenkin Special instruments that can be attributed to Pan American came from the International line and serial system. It does seem to be different from pan American so far.

I was hoping to get the serial number, so I could add this baritone to the registry. While the Pan American brass serial number dating system is not published on the Conn Loyalist website, I am still gathering serial numbers in ahopes of getting to some production stats.

Kurt