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Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:03 pm
by bububassboner
Good day,
Now that life is a little less crazy I though I would finally sit down and write my thoughts on the new Kanstul F tuba.
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Build quality: Top notch. No short cuts were taken on building this horn. Every part on this horn works as it should. Even the slides are easily moved straight out of the box. No work is needed to have this horn work well.

Build features: Kanstul offers a lot of different features on this tuba. All come with a removable valve block and unlike other makers it is quick and easy to remove and reinstall the valve block with an allen wrench. You can order the horn with a removable leadpipe if you want and that also is very easy to remove and install. It also comes with an inter-changable receiver setup so with a quick change out you can use either American shank or Euro shank mouthpieces.
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You can also order it with either yellow brass or the "Special bronze alloy" used in the old York tubas. You can either do that for just the bell or the entire body (mine is the entire body with yellow valve block).

Pitch: Pitch is very nice on this horn. Because it has wide slots (just like a real York) it is very easy to play this horn in tune without moving slides. However, for those of us who like to move slides there isn't much needed in that area. Bb and A at the bottom of the staff can ride a little high and the A at the top of the staff can be a little low but I have had no problems playing in tune on this horn. All the slides are at the top of this horn so adjusting for down low is super easy too.

Ergonomics: I have no problems with this horn. The thumb ring and the fifth valve paddle are both adjustable with an allen wrench so you can put them where you want. As I said earlier, all the slide are at the top and are easy to get to so no weird reach arounds to get to a slide.

Water problems: The water has to go somewhere. I find it only really collects in the main slide and the fourth valve. There is no water key on the fourth but an easy slide pull and dump is all you need. No spin required.

Sound: This horn is very different than most F tubas. It has a very colorful sound that is not direct but projects very well (just like a real York). I also find that the bigger the room the more impressed I am with the sound of this horn (just like a real York). What I have found is that (just like a real York, seeing a pattern?) It can blend very well with strings yet have its own voice in a brass section. My quintet (both civilian and Army) just loves this horn. If you like your 6/4 York style CC tuba and wished you could have that kind of sound in a smaller F tuba form this is the horn for you.

Physical size: This is a smaller horn for sure, but don't let that fool you on how much sound it can make. Unlike the small Yamaha F tuba this tuba doesn't really have a volume ceiling, though (again like a real York) you cant push it hard to get the sound out. I was able to bury a large tuba ensemble ( around 20 members) with this horn but could also play super soft with it. Here is the horn next to a Getzen G-50
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Mouthpiece sensitive?: I found that this horn isn't too picky about what you put in it. Of course cause of its size it doesn't work too well with a large mouthpiece but I have found that you can easily change the colors of this horn with a different mouthpiece (just like a real York).

Problems?: So far I'm really loving this horn. I feel like I could find a better mouthpiece for the horn (using a Laskey 28F). Sometimes I wish the horn had a little more weight to the sound but again I feel like I can get that with a different mouthpiece.

Overall I think this horn is great. It really seems to fill a void in the F tuba market. Anyone who likes smaller F tubas or wants that York sound in their F tuba really need to try this horn out. I thought that I would use my Willson for quintet and larger groups but this horn does all that well too so I will be selling my Willson in the near future. Personally, I think once people start trying this new F tuba we will see many F tubas go up in the For sale section of this board.

If you have any questions dont be afraid to ask them. Oh and I was not paid to write this and am not an artist for Kanstul. I have played 6 of the 8 of these F tubas so I can also comment on how the different features change how the horn plays if anyone is interested.

Hope you all enjoyed :tuba:

Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:05 pm
by bububassboner
Here are some more shots...
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Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:07 pm
by bububassboner
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Next to a Willson F
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Next to a Nirschl 6/4 CC
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Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:58 pm
by Wes Krygsman
The horn looks great! Glad you are enjoying it.

I also have a Nirschl York and can't seem to find an F tuba that matches the small horn sound I have in my head. The horn that comes closest is a Yamaha Bobo model F (821?), but affording one is the difficult part.

I would love an opportunity to try these out. Any idea if they will be featured at the Army Band Conference in January? I know it'll be a rough trip to make across country, but having a few of the options offered there to try out for the differences might help drive sales and make it worth it. Anyway, enjoy your new horn.

Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:02 am
by bububassboner
Wes Krygsman wrote: I would love an opportunity to try these out. Any idea if they will be featured at the Army Band Conference in January?
The person to ask about that would be Steve Ferguson. Though if anyone comes to Oregon and lets me know ahead of time they are more than welcome to come try mine out in eugene.

Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:45 pm
by cle_tuba
Hi!

Could you compare it at all with the YFB-822?

Thanks

Cleverson :tuba:

Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:05 pm
by bort
I can't wait to try one of these. Not that I have the cash for it right now, but I like the concept, I like the look, and I love that it's made in the USA. :)

Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:05 pm
by bububassboner
cle_tuba wrote:Hi!

Could you compare it at all with the YFB-822?

Thanks

Cleverson :tuba:
Actually yes I can. I have played this against two 822s and I find them to be very different. The 822 is a very large heavy F tuba. The sound can be kinda bland unless you really work to add the color. Low end is good but I find that a lot of these have pitch problems up high. These work well If you (opinion here) like the English Eb sound but want an F tuba.

The Kanstul is a smaller light F tuba. I find response to be way faster on this horn and I find pitch to be much easier. This does not sound like a small CC tuba (good or bad? you decide) and does not have the same weight of sound that the 822 has. In general, I find this tuba much easier to play. Both horns are very open felling on the players end both have easy access to slides

I currently have access to both and I never use the Yamaha but that is just my preference. These are very different tubas so it is hard to compare them. It would be better to compare the Kanstul to the small Yamaha F tuba as they are both smaller, light F tubas (in short, the Kanstul dominates the small Yamaha)

Hope that helps. Feel free to ask for any other A/B compares as I have played it against about 9 different F tubas.

Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:57 pm
by cle_tuba
Very interesting that tuba!
Thanks
Cleverson :tuba:

Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:19 am
by averagejoe
The valve setup looks more comfortable than in the picture on the website. http://www.kanstul.net/detail.php?pass_ ... nd%20Brass" target="_blank. The one on the site has the 4th valve recessed pretty far, I don't know anybody with fingers like that.

Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:15 am
by k001k47
Just can't get over how weird that looks.

Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:10 pm
by UDELBR
The 822 also has that weird sawed-off looking loop. Never understood why they didn't just make the top bow a teensy bit higher instead...

Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:17 pm
by bububassboner
averagejoe wrote:The valve setup looks more comfortable than in the picture on the website. http://www.kanstul.net/detail.php?pass_ ... nd%20Brass" target="_blank" target="_blank. The one on the site has the 4th valve recessed pretty far, I don't know anybody with fingers like that.
That was how the first horn was set up. From what I was told they changed to the set up my horn has because of comfort. That picture is kinda "old".

Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:54 am
by averagejoe
bububassboner wrote:
averagejoe wrote:The valve setup looks more comfortable than in the picture on the website. http://www.kanstul.net/detail.php?pass_ ... nd%20Brass" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank. The one on the site has the 4th valve recessed pretty far, I don't know anybody with fingers like that.
That was how the first horn was set up. From what I was told they changed to the set up my horn has because of comfort. That picture is kinda "old".
The valve set up on yours looks much more comfortable to me, I am glad that they changed that.

Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:00 am
by tubalou
Hi,
Feel free to ask for any other A/B compares as I have played it against about 9 different F tubas.
So, could you compare this new Kanstul F Tuba with Yamaha 621, Gronitz PF125, Melton 2250, Willson XS, Miraphone Petrushka?

The size is approximatively similar to a 621, no? To your mind, is it possible to play this 80S Kanstul in such different situations like Orchestra, Jazz, Quintet...?

Excuse me for english mistakes if there are...

Cordially

Jérémie DUFORT

Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:20 am
by Ferguson
I'll chime in...
tubalou wrote:Hi,
Feel free to ask for any other A/B compares as I have played it against about 9 different F tubas.
So, could you compare this new Kanstul F Tuba with Yamaha 621, Gronitz PF125, Melton 2250, Willson XS, Miraphone Petrushka?
The Kanstul is larger than the 621, in fact, it looks to be right in between the 621 and 822 in size. It's a little smaller than the Gronitz, smaller than the 2250, and about the same size as the Petruschka. It's lighter than the Petruschka, feels light like the Gronitz. The Gronitz and 2250, like the Yamaha 822, are almost Eb tuba size. The Kanstul is distinctly F. I promise to post some more comparison pics with other F tubas soon.
The size is approximatively similar to a 621, no?
No, it's bigger.
To your mind, is it possible to play this 80S Kanstul in such different situations like Orchestra, Jazz, Quintet...?
Yes! It's a very nimble tuba, with good projection, but the sound is big and wide for a smaller instrument. And the low range is awesome.

One of the replies above asked about the extra loop in the main bugle, rather than doing a tall body like the MW2250 has. The reason for the short body is that when you want to adjust the 1st slide, your wrist lies on top of the top bow and supports the instrument. On the 2250, for me it's awkward when holding the first slide, as there is no part of the instrument there to allow me to stabilize it with my arm or wrist.
Excuse me for english mistakes if there are...
Your English is excellent.

Ferguson
Cordially

Jérémie DUFORT
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Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:18 pm
by bububassboner
tubalou wrote:Hi,
Feel free to ask for any other A/B compares as I have played it against about 9 different F tubas.
So, could you compare this new Kanstul F Tuba with Yamaha 621, Gronitz PF125, Melton 2250, Willson XS, Miraphone Petrushka?

The size is approximatively similar to a 621, no? To your mind, is it possible to play this 80S Kanstul in such different situations like Orchestra, Jazz, Quintet...?

Excuse me for english mistakes if there are...

Cordially

Jérémie DUFORT
Hello,

Kanstul vs. Yamaha 621. Really I think the Kanstul will replace the Yamaha for many people. The Kanstul has better pitch, the sound is more colorful, it's more comfy to use, and it doesn't have the "volume ceiling" like the Yamaha has. Yes the Kanstul is also a bit bigger than the Yamaha.

Kanstul vs. Gronitz PF125. Kinda like with the Yamaha 822, these tubas are very different. the Gronitz PF125 is a good tuba but they can have weird pitch problems that the Kanstul does not have. Both are good but different.

The other three are horns that I haven't spent enough time with to make any comments on. Steve can fill us in on how the Kanstul plays against the Miraphone.

As for ensemble use I have already used it in brass quintet, large wind ensemble, tuba quartet, tuba ensemble, and a LARGE brass ensemble. If I can't find a cimbasso to use I'll use it next month with the Opera. Personally I dont really see and ensemble that you couldn't use it in.

Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:20 pm
by k001k47
bloke wrote:
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Sort of hard to make out what's going on there with how tight it's wrapped. :o

The reason it looks weird to me is because it does this weird sort of s bend at the end and the taper going into the main tuning slide looks abrupt and really.. angular?
People are saying it plays really nicely, so whatever they did is working well.

Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:31 am
by tubalou
Hello,

Thanks for your feedbacks and comparisons...

This Kanstul tuba seems to be very interesting to me.

What about the valve stroke? Comparing to 621, 822, Gronitz and Petrushka?

On the MW 2250, for example, the valve stroke is so long that this hurts me in sinews.

Cordially


Jérémie DUFORT

Re: Kanstul F tuba review and Pictures!

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:17 am
by bort
So... when's the rotary version coming out? :D (Kidding, kidding...)