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Anyone know what this low brass well rounded Balkan cutie might be?
Armin

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arminhachmer wrote:Anyone know what this low brass well rounded Balkan cutie might be?
Armin

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Good grief. What a racket. I especially like the drummer pretending to like the sax solo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tárogató

The link works in real life, but the TN software doesn’t recognize it as true link, possibly due to the odd letters.

K

Thank You gentlemen. I can see now its a helicon.

Schlepperello: how 'bout gettin' one o' those too? Looks easy to hold.

Klaus: Thats a great link of Paul Tkachenko.

Bloke, the feel of that tune reminds me of taking Klezmer in bandcamp
a while back. I liked it. Good, lively, happy stuff. Well, Klezmer is defined as the celebratory music of eastern european jews.

The world of music is vast. Some drunken musician are half-vast.
No one on tubenet. Of course.

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haha...hey Dan, thats the back of somebodies woodshed/chicken coop. When they moved the chickens out, the accoustics went edgey.
Armin

arminhachmer wrote: Klaus: Thats a great link of Paul Tkachenko.

Point being that the player in the video is Paul T. And the link leads to his description of his instruments including that helicon.

Klaus

Yes, i saw the helicon described as Russian.
I did not recognize the player as Paul T.

Hi folks - yes, it's me.

I posted it on youtube quite a few years ago now.

Helicon comes from 1960s Kiev (so, Soviet). B flat. More than that I couldn't say, but I've seen quite a few pop up on eBay in the past - although they are often in a bit of a state.

Build quality is poor, but sound is great.

I had the valves totally rebuilt and the bell detatchable - I should post some pics here.

I still don't have a bag/case for it. I don't want to spend too much money ... If I had one, I'd play it a bit more!

Sax player is Nick Roth - he's one of the best players I know. He's based in Dublin and his main band are called Yurodny.

Yes, wooden sax thing is taragota ...

Hi Paul, thanks a lot. Loved the music and the horn is cool. I am a new owner of a
helicon from the 1800's. Made by Henry Distin in Pensylvania. Will have to wait to get it in a few weeks. Yes, post some pix of the Kiev heli...please.
Armin

10 years ago German eBay was flooded with Red Army band instruments left behind, when they went back to Russia or Ukraine or whatever.

I didn’t buy any back then due to the bad build quality and the often bad maintenance. I kind of regret that as some of the designs were interesting. These huge almost flareless helicon bells rarely, if ever, are seen from other sources.

Klaus

arminhachmer wrote: Bloke, the feel of that tune reminds me of taking Klezmer in bandcamp
a while back. I liked it. Good, lively, happy stuff. Well, Klezmer is defined as the celebratory music of eastern european jews.

The world of music is vast. Some drunken musician are half-vast.
No one on tubenet. Of course.

There is a strong connection between Balkan Brass and Klez - The Roma musicians often crossed paths with Klezmorim in southern Europe and exchanged songs and styles. If you want a modern interpretation, check out Frank London's Klezmer Brass All-Stars (and read his semi-serious dissertation on the topic )
I have been following this style for many years now (mostly as DJ or listener) and it is quite interesting to see how some "Western" brass musicians have picked up on it and mixed genres (Polkas, Jazz, Klez, Folk, Political, Rock, Fanfare, Balkan, Marches, Afro-Pop, Bollywood, Banda, Whatever...) it all works!

Mark Rubin's work with Frank is particularly good.

I think there is a clip on you tube of me doing a tuba solo with Frank at the Jazz Cafe here in London ... I'd post a link, except I'm on the Blackberry at the moment ...

PaulTkachenko wrote:Mark Rubin's work with Frank is particularly good.

I think there is a clip on you tube of me doing a tuba solo with Frank at the Jazz Cafe here in London ... I'd post a link, except I'm on the Blackberry at the moment ...

Is it on your Youtube Page? or one of his many videos?

Search 'KlezFest 2009 Klezmer Klimax Faculty Concert 4' and it should come up.

I just watched a whole bunch of them - must have been a fun time for everybody!
A few years ago Frank appeared at a San Francisco music series with his "West Coast Klezmer All-Stars (local alt.brass musicians who got together for a 2 hour rehearsal and 3 hour gig.) it was an incredible show!

The guy is a legend and an inspiration. Killer trumpet player too - a real listener.

bloke wrote: I know of some straight wooden "saxophone-like" instruments (with upside-down single-reed mouthpieces) that (though I do not know what they are called) are just about the length of an alto sax.

Taragato

Or tarogato, believe that's the way I've seen it spelled.

Just caught the video - nice - seems to start in the middle of the tune, though! We play it in my band. We get a lot of mileage out of the first part - people sing along, etc., would never have guessed. And we have an alto sax solo right in the same spot, but as bloke alluded to, this guy gets closer to the Balkan style in places.

It takes a while to get that harmonic structure, but more superficially, even the strident sound doesn't seem to come naturally to our horn players. The reeds aren't screechy enough, brasses aren't blatty enough - we use trombones instead of baritones, but sadly they do not blat much anyway. Which you might think would be for the better, but actually in my opinion it thickens up the mix so together we're more cacophonous. Tuba player in another local band does really well, in my opinion, with the tuba version of that: big solid contrabass low end out of his big Holton sousaphone, but a dry-ish sound with an edge, comes through loud and clear but at the same time there's plenty of room for bones etc. to play over him.