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The big York "monster" Eb tubas underwent several design changes during their very long product life. Quite a number were manufactured in the old high pitch (A=457). Some have pretty decent intonation; others have terrible intonation.

About the only way to tell is to play before you pay.

Normal wrote:It's hard to justify spending a lot (over $1000) when I'll mainly be playing for myself.

I've seen a number of older tubas for sale lately. The latest I have been looking at are a couple of 1910 - 1920 JW Yorks. If you assume that these tubas are sound mechanically, are there other problems such intonation that limit the usefulness of one of these old horns?

$1,000 is a lot of money to spend in order to play a few more notes on the high-end... especially if you are just playing for yourself. The old Yorks you are speaking of are not generally famous for their intonation. I have a 1913-1916 (depending of which chart you are looking at) York Eb upright with three front valves that I just took in on trade. I also have Conn & Cuesnon Eb's currently in the stable. Email me privately if you are interested.

Chuck(G) wrote:... the only way to tell is to play before you pay.

This is the basic reason for this post. I see a real cost to "play before you pay". The availability of cheaper Eb tubas seems to be that they are spread all over the country. In order to try a horn out, I would either have to travel to where the tuba is or pay for the shipping maybe both ways. This is quite expensive for a cheap(er) tuba. These things might in fact double the price.

What helps is to know basic tendencies of certain models and ages. Thanks for the info about pitch and variablilty in intonation.

Normal wrote: What helps is to know basic tendencies of certain models and ages. Thanks for the info about pitch and variablilty in intonation.

I'd be tempted to stay away from the large "monster" Eb instruments--they're generally priced higher than the smaller horns and, as a rule, tend to have intonation issues. They do, however make a great soiurce of parts.

Some smaller antique instruments are real gems--the Henry Distins, for example. The older small Yorks can be pretty good, as can the small Kings.

Some prefer the sound of a Miraphone 183, which can be found from time to time.

Don't overlook the older Besson Eb horns either.

Chuck(G) wrote:

Normal wrote: I'd be tempted to stay away from the large "monster" Eb instruments--they're generally priced higher than the smaller horns and, as a rule, tend to have intonation issues.

Some prefer the sound of a Miraphone 183, which can be found from time to time.

Good statement, Chuck. I have both King Eb and York Eb monstors and have also owned big Conns and a HUGE Olds. None compare to my Miraphone 183-4 for intonation. However, if you want big and noisy (as I DO when I play Dixie) the King bell-front (or a sousa) is the way to go. I also have a little Cuesnon Eb that has great intonation but won't work at all in anything larger than a quintet.