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King 2341 Clone?
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:13 am
by UTSAtuba
Just browsing through the Tuba Exchange website, and found this...
http://tubaexchange.com/product-detail.asp?PID=TE-2144" target="_blank
Tuba Exchange TE-2144
Specifications
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Key BBb
Size 4/4
Valve Type 4 Piston
Bell Diameter 19.75"
Bore Diameter .670"
Height 34"
Finish Lacquer
Re: King 2341 Clone?
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:48 am
by Ken Herrick
bloke wrote:It looks like a "messed up" webpic of a King 2341. I wonder if that's what it is...??
Then again,might it be a webpic of a messed up King 2341?????
If it is Russian made, it might be a Tsar 1432.
Quick, somebody buy one and give us a report!!
Re: King 2341 Clone?
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:00 am
by imperialbari
Why would a King 2341 clone have a 0.670" bore?
Re: King 2341 Clone?
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:46 am
by Dan Schultz
imperialbari wrote:Why would a King 2341 clone have a 0.670" bore?
Sure looks like a King! What's .018" between friends? Probably a typo.
Re: King 2341 Clone?
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:21 am
by SousaSaver
Does it play like a King?
I wonder if Vince will sell me just the bell? Hmmm.....
Re: King 2341 Clone?
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:08 pm
by iiipopes
BRSousa wrote:I wonder if Vince will sell me just the bell? Hmmm.....
Sure, if it's off a tuba damaged in shipping. That's how my 186 got an upright St Pete bell to go with the stock recording bell.
Re: King 2341 Clone?
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:58 pm
by bort
Oh come on...really? Another clone?
Re: King 2341 Clone?
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:03 pm
by Michael Bush
Might as well get used to it. It's amazing it has taken this long for this dynamic to take hold in the instrument manufacturing world. Recording artists, computer hardware and software makers, and higher education (no doubt others as well) have been dealing with it for quite a while. Good, bad, or indifferent, the way it has been isn't the way it's going to be.
Just ask Apple Computer, who has been doing R & D for Microsoft for decades.
Re: King 2341 Clone?
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:47 pm
by Ken Herrick
"Cloning" is nothing new. According to Fred Gottlieb, the King "monsters" were a clone of a Cerveny. In '67 I purchased a very old Cerveny "Made in Bohemia" BBb 4rv from Fred to use while my King was being rebuilt. He stated that H.N. WHite had borrowed it to use as a pattern for making " a large rotary valve BBb" and that the Monsters were the result. In that case the clone came out much better than the original.
Not a big deal, really. Imagine the horror Mugwump felt when he found somebody had cloned his wheel before he could get his patent approved!