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King 2341 in CC?
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 2:35 pm
by Tubajug
Greetings,
I have heard and read nothing but good things about the King 2341 (well built, solid, good "all around" tuba, etc). So my question is, is/was there ever a CC version? Or a comparable tuba in CC (i.e. medium size bore, four pistons, 4/4) with a reputation like the King? I've seen the Harvey Phillips Holton 330 discussed, but have heard less than glowing reports on it. Thanks for your input!
Re: King 2341 in CC?
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 2:47 pm
by skeath
The custom "Frankentubas" built by Sam Gnagey use a 2341 (I believe) body and valve set, cut to CC, with a large-throated bell from various very old tubas. Very good horns.
Re: King 2341 in CC?
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 3:27 pm
by arpthark
Weren't the 52, 54, 56J just basically factory chop-jobs on the King 2341 with an added 5th?
Re: King 2341 in CC?
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 4:08 pm
by Daniel C. Oberloh
I do have a 1241 in CC. It's a fun horn with a .750 bore. It has both upright and recording bells. It served as my kicking-around-tuba when gigs were to hazards to use my HB-2P or a recording bell set up was desired. As a note: The factory CC horns are not ''chop jobs'', they have there own specific branch tapers (2-5) and bends that are not really interchangeable with there BBb brothers.
Daniel C. Oberloh
Oberloh Woodwind and Brass Works
http://www.oberloh.com" target="_blank
Re: King 2341 in CC?
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 5:35 pm
by TheHatTuba
arpthark wrote:Weren't the 52, 54, 56J just basically factory chop-jobs on the King 2341 with an added 5th?
Yup (and after Matt did such a nice job designing them, really Conn?)
Re: King 2341 in CC?
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 6:26 pm
by jonesbrass
Daniel C. Oberloh wrote:I do have a 1241 in CC. It's a fun horn with a .750 bore. It has both upright and recording bells. It served as my kicking-around-tuba when gigs were to hazards to use my HB-2P or a recording bell set up was desired. As a note: The factory CC horns are not ''chop jobs'', they have there own specific branch tapers (2-5) and bends that are not really interchangeable with there BBb brothers.
Daniel C. Oberloh
Oberloh Woodwind and Brass Works
http://www.oberloh.com" target="_blank" target="_blank
Cool! I'd ;ove to see/play that!
Re: King 2341 in CC?
Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 8:57 am
by SousaSaver
Tubajug wrote:Greetings,
I have heard and read nothing but good things about the King 2341 (well built, solid, good "all around" tuba, etc). So my question is, is/was there ever a CC version? Or a comparable tuba in CC (i.e. medium size bore, four pistons, 4/4) with a reputation like the King? I've seen the Harvey Phillips Holton 330 discussed, but have heard less than glowing reports on it. Thanks for your input!
Sam Gnagey cuts 2341/1241 to CC on a regular basis. People seem to like them, and it looks like Sam does a nice job.
The CB-50's have a comparable bore size, but the profile of the bell gives the sound a different quality in my opinion. Not bad, just different.
If you want a similar CC Tuba, find a 52J. The 52J as opposed the the 56J because of the smaller bell.
Re: King 2341 in CC?
Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 10:17 am
by J.c. Sherman
I'll second the 52J.
Dan, do you have a pic of the factory 1241 CC?
J.c.S.
Re: King 2341 in CC?
Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 4:38 pm
by David
BRSousa wrote:Tubajug wrote:Greetings,
I have heard and read nothing but good things about the King 2341 (well built, solid, good "all around" tuba, etc). So my question is, is/was there ever a CC version? Or a comparable tuba in CC (i.e. medium size bore, four pistons, 4/4) with a reputation like the King? I've seen the Harvey Phillips Holton 330 discussed, but have heard less than glowing reports on it. Thanks for your input!
Sam Gnagey cuts 2341/1241 to CC on a regular basis. People seem to like them, and it looks like Sam does a nice job.
The CB-50's have a comparable bore size, but the profile of the bell gives the sound a different quality in my opinion. Not bad, just different.
If you want a similar CC Tuba, find a 52J. The 52J as opposed the the 56J because of the smaller bell.
I second the motion of Sam's tubas being top playing instruments. I've owned one for years now, and I still love it.
Re: King 2341 in CC?
Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 6:20 pm
by EdFirth
The Closest thing to a 2341 would be a 56J. They have the same bell and, are basically cut down Kings. But I'll throw in with the majority here and vote for a Sam custom horn. The assembly will be WAY better and he uses old York and Holton bells etc.There's definitely something special about the brass York used. I may try to get an old York bell to put on my 2341. Ed