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King 1241/2341 Modification
Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 11:47 pm
by SousaSaver
Hello all -
Get a look at my King:
http://sousacentral.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... oject.html
I am modifying it for my own amusement. Anyone have a bell to sell?
Re: King 1241/2341 Modification
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:06 am
by Dan Schultz
Those old Kings are fun to fool with. Next time you need to strip off that 'Eastlake' lacquer... try using Easy-off oven cleaner.... Stinky, but it usually works. If you've already put a torch to the stuff, you're screwed!
Re: King 1241/2341 Modification
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:09 am
by fairweathertuba
These horns are really under-rated imo. The intonation on them can be fantabulous. Sweet tone, easy to play. I'll be looking for a nice one when the funding is available.
Re: King 1241/2341 Modification
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:11 am
by SousaSaver
That is what I used. I didn't mention it specifically in the article because I didn't want anyone trying to do it at home because it's dangerous. There were some areas of burned lacquer that had to be scrubbed off with Easy Off and a scotch brite pad. Yeesh...
Re: King 1241/2341 Modification
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:13 am
by SousaSaver
fairweathertuba wrote:These horns are really under-rated imo. The intonation on them can be fantabulous. Sweet tone, easy to play. I'll be looking for a nice one when the funding is available.
I agree. I like them better than the Conn 5J because of the slightly larger bore. With a .687 bore and a relatively compact size it is a very versatile horn.
Re: King 1241/2341 Modification
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 9:24 am
by Dan Schultz
BRSousa wrote:That is what I used. I didn't mention it specifically in the article because I didn't want anyone trying to do it at home because it's dangerous. There were some areas of burned lacquer that had to be scrubbed off with Easy Off and a scotch brite pad. Yeesh...
No more dangerous than cleaning an oven. Common sense prevails though... rubber gloves, long sleeves, and eye protection is warranted.
Re: King 1241/2341 Modification
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 3:10 pm
by toobagrowl
fairweathertuba wrote:These horns are really under-rated imo. The intonation on them can be fantabulous. Sweet tone, easy to play.
+1
@ BRSousa. Nice job on the tuba. How on earth did you round out that bent 4th valve casing?

Re: King 1241/2341 Modification
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 4:25 pm
by TubaBobH
fairweathertuba wrote:
These horns are really under-rated imo. The intonation on them can be fantabulous. Sweet tone, easy to play.
Ditto. Been playing a 1241 since 1972. Can more than hold its own in large wind ensembles, and nimble enough to get the job done in brass quintets. Also, spot on intonation.
Re: King 1241/2341 Modification
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 4:49 pm
by cjk
BRSousa wrote:What you cannot see is the valve alignment that I gave this horn. The valve button felts were replaced with o-rings. The stem felts were replaced with neoprene bumpers.
I'd be willing to bet you didn't pay $180 for that alignment kit.

Re: King 1241/2341 Modification
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 8:02 am
by SousaSaver
tooba wrote:fairweathertuba wrote:These horns are really under-rated imo. The intonation on them can be fantabulous. Sweet tone, easy to play.
+1
@ BRSousa. Nice job on the tuba. How on earth did you round out that bent 4th valve casing?

Plastic hammer, casing mandrel, thread chaser and lots of patience. This horn was LITERALLY dragged on concrete at some point in it's life.
Re: King 1241/2341 Modification
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 8:03 am
by SousaSaver
cjk wrote:BRSousa wrote:What you cannot see is the valve alignment that I gave this horn. The valve button felts were replaced with o-rings. The stem felts were replaced with neoprene bumpers.
I'd be willing to bet you didn't pay $180 for that alignment kit.

As a matter of fact I paid around 6 or 7 bucks for it. I did have to cut some of the o-rings with a razor to get precise valve alignment. It wasn't quite two o-rings to line up properly.
Re: King 1241/2341 Modification
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 7:16 am
by Sam Gnagey
You realize that if you use a one-piece bell the pitch will go up at least a quarter step. It will make the bugle about 6 inches shorter. That's why you'll find the extended ferrules on the Conn 5xj series horns. Good luck with the project. BTW: For anyone needing to strip the lacquer on these old Kings, we have a tank set up and will do that for you.
Re: King 1241/2341 Modification
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:02 am
by SousaSaver
Sam Gnagey wrote:You realize that if you use a one-piece bell the pitch will go up at least a quarter step. It will make the bugle about 6 inches shorter. That's why you'll find the extended ferrules on the Conn 5xj series horns. Good luck with the project. BTW: For anyone needing to strip the lacquer on these old Kings, we have a tank set up and will do that for you.
Absolutely. I have taken that into consideration. I do appreciate the heads up and the offer to strip the lacquer, but alas, I no longer reside in the hoosier state. My daughter is a hoosier though...