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King 1241/2341 Modification

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 11:47 pm
by SousaSaver
Hello all -

Get a look at my King:

http://sousacentral.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... oject.html

I am modifying it for my own amusement. Anyone have a bell to sell?

Re: King 1241/2341 Modification

Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:06 am
by Dan Schultz
Those old Kings are fun to fool with. Next time you need to strip off that 'Eastlake' lacquer... try using Easy-off oven cleaner.... Stinky, but it usually works. If you've already put a torch to the stuff, you're screwed!

Re: King 1241/2341 Modification

Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:09 am
by fairweathertuba
These horns are really under-rated imo. The intonation on them can be fantabulous. Sweet tone, easy to play. I'll be looking for a nice one when the funding is available.

Re: King 1241/2341 Modification

Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:11 am
by SousaSaver
That is what I used. I didn't mention it specifically in the article because I didn't want anyone trying to do it at home because it's dangerous. There were some areas of burned lacquer that had to be scrubbed off with Easy Off and a scotch brite pad. Yeesh...

Re: King 1241/2341 Modification

Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:13 am
by SousaSaver
fairweathertuba wrote:These horns are really under-rated imo. The intonation on them can be fantabulous. Sweet tone, easy to play. I'll be looking for a nice one when the funding is available.
I agree. I like them better than the Conn 5J because of the slightly larger bore. With a .687 bore and a relatively compact size it is a very versatile horn.

Re: King 1241/2341 Modification

Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 9:24 am
by Dan Schultz
BRSousa wrote:That is what I used. I didn't mention it specifically in the article because I didn't want anyone trying to do it at home because it's dangerous. There were some areas of burned lacquer that had to be scrubbed off with Easy Off and a scotch brite pad. Yeesh...
No more dangerous than cleaning an oven. Common sense prevails though... rubber gloves, long sleeves, and eye protection is warranted.

Re: King 1241/2341 Modification

Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 3:10 pm
by toobagrowl
fairweathertuba wrote:These horns are really under-rated imo. The intonation on them can be fantabulous. Sweet tone, easy to play.
+1


@ BRSousa. Nice job on the tuba. How on earth did you round out that bent 4th valve casing? :shock:

Re: King 1241/2341 Modification

Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 4:25 pm
by TubaBobH
fairweathertuba wrote:
These horns are really under-rated imo. The intonation on them can be fantabulous. Sweet tone, easy to play.
Ditto. Been playing a 1241 since 1972. Can more than hold its own in large wind ensembles, and nimble enough to get the job done in brass quintets. Also, spot on intonation.

Re: King 1241/2341 Modification

Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 4:49 pm
by cjk
BRSousa wrote:What you cannot see is the valve alignment that I gave this horn. The valve button felts were replaced with o-rings. The stem felts were replaced with neoprene bumpers.
I'd be willing to bet you didn't pay $180 for that alignment kit. :shock:

Re: King 1241/2341 Modification

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 8:02 am
by SousaSaver
tooba wrote:
fairweathertuba wrote:These horns are really under-rated imo. The intonation on them can be fantabulous. Sweet tone, easy to play.
+1


@ BRSousa. Nice job on the tuba. How on earth did you round out that bent 4th valve casing? :shock:
Plastic hammer, casing mandrel, thread chaser and lots of patience. This horn was LITERALLY dragged on concrete at some point in it's life.

Re: King 1241/2341 Modification

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 8:03 am
by SousaSaver
cjk wrote:
BRSousa wrote:What you cannot see is the valve alignment that I gave this horn. The valve button felts were replaced with o-rings. The stem felts were replaced with neoprene bumpers.
I'd be willing to bet you didn't pay $180 for that alignment kit. :shock:
As a matter of fact I paid around 6 or 7 bucks for it. I did have to cut some of the o-rings with a razor to get precise valve alignment. It wasn't quite two o-rings to line up properly.

Re: King 1241/2341 Modification

Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 7:16 am
by Sam Gnagey
You realize that if you use a one-piece bell the pitch will go up at least a quarter step. It will make the bugle about 6 inches shorter. That's why you'll find the extended ferrules on the Conn 5xj series horns. Good luck with the project. BTW: For anyone needing to strip the lacquer on these old Kings, we have a tank set up and will do that for you.

Re: King 1241/2341 Modification

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:02 am
by SousaSaver
Sam Gnagey wrote:You realize that if you use a one-piece bell the pitch will go up at least a quarter step. It will make the bugle about 6 inches shorter. That's why you'll find the extended ferrules on the Conn 5xj series horns. Good luck with the project. BTW: For anyone needing to strip the lacquer on these old Kings, we have a tank set up and will do that for you.
Absolutely. I have taken that into consideration. I do appreciate the heads up and the offer to strip the lacquer, but alas, I no longer reside in the hoosier state. My daughter is a hoosier though...