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VERY interesting, like with the iPad2. And like with the iPad2 nobody can make me place an open end order with a very much less than confirmed date of delivery.

Klaus

I NEED a purple one!

must have pBone.....must have pBone

tbn.al wrote:I NEED a purple one!

must have pBone.....must have pBone

NOT before I get MINE!

Klaus

Already got mine

The issue with younger students isn't so much the weight of a straight tenor, but the arm length required. A couple years ago I purchased an older small-bore lightweight Reynolds trombone for my son to use. Although he could get a decent sound out of it, at the time he couldn't get past 4th position. Even now I doubt he could make it to 6th. I like the idea of the "ascending valve" that was used on a couple of student horns, that let them play 6th and 7th with the trigger similar to an F attachment, but with a lot less plumbing and weight.
As a footnote, he eventually chose tuba and is playing a Conn 12J.

The way I heard it, first production run was last fall. Injection mold.

Rumor has it that at some point they were willing to think about an F bass. I'm guessing it's cheaper for them to make a double slide, than to add a valve. That would bring the slide draw down to somewhere in the range of an alto trombone, true? Short people would have to play bass trombone.

Donn wrote:The way I heard it, first production run was last fall. Injection mold.

Rumor has it that at some point they were willing to think about an F bass. I'm guessing it's cheaper for them to make a double slide, than to add a valve. That would bring the slide draw down to somewhere in the range of an alto trombone, true? Short people would have to play bass trombone.

They are coming to America soon, brought to you by a predictable borg with a predictable spokesmodel.

J.c.S. (not BSing... just saying all I can)

imperialbari wrote:...VERY interesting, like with the iPad2...

Hehehe, they have had a couple of deliveries of new stock, always stating "next monday" there will be more. And next monday they were sold out in extremely short time. Been there, seen, got nothing... Lokking forward to the next batch. They stated that the red version will be available again. Keep on asking them for an F bass trbn. A red F for the fart in concerto fo orchestra would be really nice.

Exactly the Bartok concerto would be the reason for the F contra version. In general I would consider the Eb contrabass being a better choice. I have altos in F and Eb. Like with all trombone playing positions have to be exact, and I don’t consider the F alto much more demanding due to the closer positions. The attraction of the Eb contra with quadruple slide would be the low BBb.

Klaus

goodgigs wrote:

tuba.bobby wrote:Already got mine

Do tell !
There weren't very many shiped in the first preproduction batch. Your one of the lucky ones.

I wasn't so lucky as to get it straight from them (I was part of the original mailing list but never got notified) but luckily I had a friend who was lucky enough to get one and get bored of it!

They're not bad for the money, the positions are a bit different and the tone is not amazing on the mouthpiece they provide (this will probably get better when I use a 'proper' mouthpiece - I've only played it a couple of times at present) but definitely good fun to play! The only thing I would say is make sure you've got a real small bore mouthpiece to use

imperialbari wrote:Exactly the Bartok concerto would be the reason for the F contra version.

I think that if we want this thing to happen, we mustn't call it a contra, because no one plays contrabass trombone. It's a bass trombone, following the classic bass trombone in G but in a more useful key. Everyone wants to play bass trombone (except that they're so heavy, expensive and complicated.)

J.c. Sherman wrote:

Donn wrote:The way I heard it, first production run was last fall. Injection mold.

Rumor has it that at some point they were willing to think about an F bass. I'm guessing it's cheaper for them to make a double slide, than to add a valve. That would bring the slide draw down to somewhere in the range of an alto trombone, true? Short people would have to play bass trombone.

They are coming to America soon, brought to you by a predictable borg with a predictable spokesmodel.

J.c.S. (not BSing... just saying all I can)

WHAT! C'mon, what a tease...

Donn wrote:

imperialbari wrote:Exactly the Bartok concerto would be the reason for the F contra version.

I think that if we want this thing to happen, we mustn't call it a contra, because no one plays contrabass trombone. It's a bass trombone, following the classic bass trombone in G but in a more useful key. Everyone wants to play bass trombone (except that they're so heavy, expensive and complicated.)

The classic bass trombone in continental Europe hardly ever was in G. F was most common, but Eb has been heard of. With a non-valve instrument Eb would be most useful.

The G basses were British only. I am not against them, as I have 3 samples, one even with the D valve, but they have limitations in their low ranges.

The function of the classic bass trombone now largely is filled by Bb double valve instruments. F and Eb low trombones almost always are called contrabasses today.

Klaus

imperialbari wrote: The function of the classic bass trombone now largely is filled by Bb double valve instruments. F and Eb low trombones almost always are called contrabasses today.

Yes, this would have to be a reversal of that trend, if it is to happen. The Bb bass trombone is what I meant by heavy, expensive, complicated. I assume the plastic F bass would have no valve, so it couldn't serve the function of a contrabass, it would just return the bass trombone player to the simple joy of a plain slide trombone.

Donn wrote:

imperialbari wrote: The function of the classic bass trombone now largely is filled by Bb double valve instruments. F and Eb low trombones almost always are called contrabasses today.

Yes, this would have to be a reversal of that trend, if it is to happen. The Bb bass trombone is what I meant by heavy, expensive, complicated. I assume the plastic F bass would have no valve, so it couldn't serve the function of a contrabass, it would just return the bass trombone player to the simple joy of a plain slide trombone.

I would burst into tears of joy for an F bass...

J.c.S.

I have to agree with Klaus though that Eb would have an advantage. After playing F slide bass for a while, I think I might burst into tears of joy to have the low Bb and A. But that's without much thought about the price I would pay for it on the high end.

Donn wrote:

imperialbari wrote: Everyone wants to play bass trombone (except that they're so heavy, expensive and complicated.

And FUN........heavy, expensive, complicated and FUN!

tbn.al wrote:

Donn wrote:

imperialbari wrote: Everyone wants to play bass trombone (except that they're so heavy, expensive and complicated.

And FUN........heavy, expensive, complicated and FUN!

With all due respect I have to ask, why Donn is exposed like needing me as a prompter?

This link leads to the realisation that he does pretty well on his own:

viewtopic.php?p=386801#p386801

imperialbari wrote:...Exactly the Bartok concerto would be the reason for the F contra version. In general I would consider the Eb contrabass being a better choice...

It is a bit confusing to distinguish between the bass and contrabass trombone. Nowadays the F bass is very seldom used, Eb not at all. Maybe because there are no modern instruments made?! One exception is the bass sackbut in F or Eb. But those sackbuts are only used for period performances. The thing tuned in F commonly used today is the contrabass trombone, which in turn is a minimized Bb contrabass (Miraphone and Thein makes modern Bb contras even though they are hard to play). An F contra has approximately the same dimensions except for the lenght that a contra in Bb has and instead uses a dual valve system to be able to play chromatically down the cellar. There are a few F contras with long slides with handle for all seven positions though. It also has a different voice from the F bass which in turn is closer in size to the tenors. For example Brahms symphonies sounds very well on modern alto in Eb, tenor in Bb and bass in F. The 5th of Beethoven would be a fine candidate for alto in F maybe.

Yamaha did make a modern F bass for Douglas Yeo. The instrument can be seen, if you scroll down a bit on the page, on this link http://www.yeodoug.com/articles/trombon ... llery.html. You will notice that the instrument is not at all that massive as an F contra.

Contras in F an Bb can be heard en masse for example on the sountrack of the movie Planet of the apes...

To conclude, a light plastic bass trbn in F in a nice color could be both useful and fun.

goodgigs wrote:There's no stopping progress;
My friends in Warwickshire are up to somthing monumental !
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They need monumental help with their website. It looks like an early Frontpage effort.