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Re: (potential) real thread: Dvořák
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:56 pm
by PMeuph
bloke wrote:
Now having much of it "in my head", I'm thinking that it could be nicknamed "Brahms 5th Symphony".
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If Brahms 1st is nicknamed Beethoven's 10th, could we also, by extension, name this one Beethoven's 15th....
Lame joke aside, I think that alot of the transitions between string and woodwinds sections seem reminiscent of Brahms. The link between Brahms and Dvořák always seemed quite apparent to me.
Re: (potential) real thread: Dvořák
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:26 pm
by Ben
I've read this recently, an it was very Brahmsian to me. I believe that Dvorak was inspired by Brahms 2 when he wrote his 6th symphony.
Re: (potential) real thread: Dvořák
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:25 am
by finnbogi
Ben wrote:I believe that Dvorak was inspired by Brahms 2 when he wrote his 6th symphony.
Yes, this seems very likely to me as well. In addition to the obvious similarity of writing in the same key and that Dvořák also bases his symphony on relatively simple motivs, the overall structure, orchestration and harmonic motion (especially of the outer movements) are strikingly close to that of Brahms 2.
I like to think of Dvořák 6 as a sort of compensation for Brahms not using tuba in his other symphonies.
Re: (potential) real thread: Dvořák
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:27 am
by Wyvern
I see where you are coming from. However to my ears there is distict Czech sound to Dvorak 6 - it could not have been written by Brahms.
Re: (potential) real thread: Dvořák
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:42 am
by ZNC Dandy
Having listened to it very recently, i'd say it's very similar in style and scope. The main difference being from my perspective, is that I like Dvorak 6...and i'm not too crazy about any of the Brahms Symphonies...
Re: (potential) real thread: Dvořák
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:19 pm
by ZNC Dandy
the elephant wrote:Come on, guys. Be honest. It really all sounds like Sousa to you. Doesn't it?
is there a "like" button for this post?
Re: (potential) real thread: Dvořák
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:20 pm
by ZNC Dandy
bloke wrote:the elephant wrote:Come on, guys. Be honest. It really all sounds like Sousa to you. Doesn't it?
The trio (particularly the #1 repeat ending) to "National Fencibles" utilizes some of the very same pitches that were occasionally used by Brahms and Dvořák.
This one too...
Re: (potential) real thread: Dvořák
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:18 pm
by Dylan King
Good observation.
Reminds me a little of this...
John Williams
http://youtu.be/liVSa76Scck
Igor Stravinsky
http://youtu.be/TlpTZ5CtLBE
Re: (potential) real thread: Dvořák
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:48 pm
by Steve Marcus
bloke wrote:I'm thinking that it could be nicknamed "Brahms 5th Symphony".
Joesph Kreines orchestrated Brahms'
Piano Sonata No. 3 in f minor and called it
Brahms' Symphony No. 0 (unlike Bruckner's
Symphony No. 0, which was, indeed, an original composition by Bruckner himself).
According to Mr. Kreines,
Brahms composed this sonata in 1853 at age 20. It was one of the works he played at an early meeting with Robert Schumann. Schumann’s comment about Brahms’ sonatas being “veiled symphonies” led me to making this transcription, since it has also seemed to me that the composition is “bigger” than the piano in many passages. It has five movements. This transcription uses only instruments that Brahms himself used in a number of his orchestral works. I felt it to be more in keeping with the work’s content to do so.
Re: (potential) real thread: Dvořák
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:08 pm
by Steve Marcus
Not quite, but almost what you're asking about, Bloke:
The Schoenberg orchestration of the Brahms Piano Quartet in g minor gets some occasional performances (and yes, it does include tuba...and contrabassoon..and xylophone...).