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Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:20 am**

HI-
I was looking through the archives, and was wondering if there are any other 'production' Tornister/travel/micro that have or are being made, besides the following:

-original Cerveny Tornister tubas- in BBb/Eb/F & baritone & tenor in Bb

-Meinl Weston #14 Trolly travel tuba with screw bell-in F

-W. Nirschl 5 valve travel tuba-in F

-Modern 'Tornister' tuba being sold through Bob Tucci's store-in BBb & in F

-Jestadt Child's / micro tuba-in F

-Xuqiu/Huassan Child's / micro tuba (clone of above) [Also Dillon travel tuba of this with screw bell]-in F (and now also in Eb with new optional tuning slide) & also a piston-Eb

Just curious. Thanks.

Regards-
mark

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:46 am**

Does anyone have a picture of that Huassan Eb?

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:17 pm**

Hi-
As requested, link to the Eb-FYI-mark

http://xuqiumusic.en.alibaba.com/produc ... _Key_.html" target="_blank

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:36 pm**

goodgigs wrote:
Bob Kolada wrote:Does anyone have a picture of that Huassan Eb?
Read the back pages of this forum !
This was only weeks ago !
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44830" target="_blank

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:20 pm**

goodgigs wrote:
Bob Kolada wrote:Does anyone have a picture of that Huassan Eb?
Read the back pages of this forum !

This was only weeks ago !

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44830" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

Maybe I'm dumb, but I'm not seeing the piston travel Eb tuba which y'all might be talking about . If you're actually talking about the Wiseman tuba 3+1 non-compensated Eb tuba which Neptune has for sale, that might be smaller but is still tuba-sized. The Wiseman has *roughly* the same dimensions as a B&S F tuba.

Also, the Nirschl F tuba looks like a small F tuba, but not necessarily a "travel tuba".

There was a tornister tuba on ebay recently. It was evidently made by a Meister Schmidt (MS) in Markneukirchen, probably the same folks making the ones for sale on Bob Tucci's site.

Unrelated: Mozilla Firefox suggests the proper spelling for Markneukirchen is Semidarkness and tornister is bannister.

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:14 pm**

Not a travel tuba (how big is the Nirschl?), but if I were to wish an unusual horn to be copied this would probably be the one. I believe "2165" played one and spoke favorably of it-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hb94ux0JiI

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:35 pm**

cjk wrote:If you're actually talking about the Wiseman tuba 3+1 non-compensated Eb tuba which Neptune has for sale, that might be smaller but is still tuba-sized. The Wiseman has *roughly* the same dimensions as a B&S F tuba.

The Wisemann is no way a travel tuba, but a small Eb more the size of MW182 F and makes a great quintet tuba. I find I am preferring for such to my B&S PT-15.

jonesmj wrote:Also Dillon travel tuba of this with screw bell

Are there any pictures of this? I am curious because discussed with Huashen about screw bell and they obviously are not making with such at present, so wonder if a different model made elsewhere

jonesmj wrote:Hi-
As requested, link to the Eb-FYI-mark

http://xuqiumusic.en.alibaba.com/produc ... _Key_.html" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

Mark, That is not a travel tuba, but just a small 3-valve Eb tuba. It has 326mm bell and 16.1mm bore.

However I will reveal that I am working with Huashen to make available a real Eb travel tuba. Keep a look out on my website and Sponsors forum!

Jonathan "ducking before no doubt being flamed again for advertising on TubeNet"

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:10 pm**

Neptune wrote:
jonesmj wrote:Also Dillon travel tuba of this with screw bell
Are there any pictures of this? I am curious because discussed with Huashen about screw bell and they obviously are not making with such at present, so wonder if a different model made elsewhere.

There's a pic in the US Army Band Tuba/Euph Conference thread earlier this year: Dillon F Travel Tuba

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:30 pm**

Thanks for the link. Intriguing, the Dillon looks exactly the same as the Huashen except for the screw bell.

However, I wonder the point of the screw bell except to imitate the MW 14? The tuba is already in small enough case to take as cabin luggage on air flight as I have done.

Posted: **Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:00 am**

Neptune, you gotta get one of those contrabones (listed on his site) in stock!

Posted: **Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:53 am**

Bob Kolada wrote:Neptune, you gotta get one of those contrabones (listed on his site) in stock!

Link please Bob - I can't find? If you are referring to the JinBao contrabone, I will get to order, but not as yet for stock. Don't know if any good, or any demand?

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:55 am**

HI-
Here is the one from Germany, re-listed on ebay-FYI-mark

http://cgi.ebay.com/German-tuba-B-flat- ... 878wt_1133" target="_blank

AND

relisted again-FYI

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 878wt_1219" target="_blank

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:31 pm**

Hi-
While not a 'tuba,' I thought this link to pocket cornets might be of interest to some folks--includes H. L. Clarke's horn he won at age19 from Diston, etc.-FYI-Mark

http://www.pocketcornets.com/" target="_blank

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:38 pm**

jonesmj wrote:Hi-
While not a 'tuba,' I thought this link to pocket cornets might be of interest to some folks--includes H. L. Clarke's horn he won at age19 from Diston, etc.-FYI-Mark

http://www.pocketcornets.com/" target="_blank"

The owner of the site has made a few conversions of modern cornets and trumpets into pocket models. Pretty cool in a do it yourself kind of way.

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:52 pm**

Neptune wrote:
Bob Kolada wrote:Neptune, you gotta get one of those contrabones (listed on his site) in stock!
Link please Bob - I can't find? If you are referring to the JinBao contrabone, I will get to order, but not as yet for stock. Don't know if any good, or any demand?

The Contra-Bones had valve issues. One Pro chronicled his adventures on a Trombone forum last year. He bought a set of rotors from Switzerland (?) and ended up with a nice axe for quite a bit less than a Thein, or a Kanstul. There was a bit of finger pointing at the seller, who responded that the poster had not taken advantage of a warranty...My factory rep said the valves were being addressed, and the axe was unavailable for months while the problems were being fixed. Many posters pondered why JinBao didn't use proven rotors they had available

Maybe the screw bell version of the Jestaedt copy is Matt Walters handi-work? The collars from JinBao's, and Huasheng's French Horns look to be the right size...Personally, I don't see the advantage of a shorter, fatter case over the "stock" case. It's not like the Bell could fit inside the body like a Sousaphone's Bell...
Al

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:58 pm**

Hi-
Just got a pic and heard from Al--if you ordered the travel/micro tubas, the horns were just picked up by Al in Seattle at Customs and should be on their way to us in a day or two--
mark

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:32 pm**

jonesmj wrote:Hi-
Just got a pic and heard from Al--if you ordered the travel/micro tubas, the horns were just picked up by Al in Seattle at Customs and should be on their way to us in a day or two--
mark

Excellent!

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:35 pm**

I think you will be very pleased if they are as good as the ones I have received. Do post how you find!

PS I just have a shipment of these coming into the UK too and should have the first Eb slides in about two weeks.

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:57 pm**

Hi-
Saw this link to a collector who has some nice Tornister tubas/euphs--& a Tornister tuba in F! -FYI-mark

http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/580789372idFAqt" target="_blank

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:50 am**

Hi-
I sent an email to the originator of the travel/micro tubas-the Tornisters--to VF Cerveny for Thomas, and here is his/their reply--very interesting--FYI-mark

Hello Mark,

You are right, Tornister Horns were made for the Austria-Hungarian
Military and the meaning of the name is Backpack. They were carried by
the Cavalery and Infantery on the Backs.

Cerveny made Tornister Tubas in Bb, Eb and F. I have never seen or
heard of a Tornister C Tuba. Since the C pitch was not common to the
Austria-Hungarian Monarchy, I believe there were no C Tornister Tubas.
Furthermore he made also Bb Baritonehorns (Euphoniums) and also
Bb Tenorhorn. All these Instruments were 3 valves, I have never seen a
4 valves. Beside that Cerveny made also Tornister Bb Bass Fluegelhorn
with 4 valves. We don't know exactly when the production started and
ended, we just can assume, that these instruments came on the market
around 1885-1890 and ended in the production with WWII, means about
1938, but the main business for these horns ended after Monarchy came
to the end 1918. I guess these horns were made not just for the
Military, but noone except Military would use them. First of
all for optical reasons. but mainly for sound reasons. For the
purposes of the Military, these horns had to be wraped very compact
and in small bore because of the weight, so the sound was good for
playing somewhere in the field, but not for concert use. Thats why,
the main business came to end end after the WWI.

The Inscription CERVENY & SOHNNE - ZU KONIGGRATZ IN BOHMEN was the
common label for instruments sold to Austria.

Best regards
Thomas.

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