"Kaiser?"

[Ulli]

The differences between the Cerveny 601, 701, and 696 are not clear, except that the 601 and 701 are heavier than the 696.

All 7xx Cervenys are complete gold brass.

[Neptune]

The 701 is red brass (higher copper content than gold brass) with nickel silver valves and leadpipe and appeared on the one I had hand-hammered (could see all the seems)

[Rev Rob]

I am glad Chris purchased this tuba. I was bidding on it as well. But looking at the size of this tuba, I would be hard pressed to send enough air through it. This is a young man's tuba.

[sloan]

The Kaiser term for a big tuba may be seen in the light of tuba history still being young, when when Germany became a unified Kaiserreich in 1871.

Whereas there were tubas this large being produced far, far earlier than 1871.

What were they called then, Klaus?

[Ulli]

The 701 is red brass (higher copper content than gold brass) with nickel silver valves and leadpipe and appeared on the one I had hand-hammered (could see all the seems)

Sorry, my translation mistake:

For the Cerveny 7xx, the German word is Goldmessing, so I translated gold brass.

[DP]

With the increased interest in 6/4 BBb tubas by major tubists in the US...

I believe this is a major misconception. Big BBflats have always been used by "major tubists" in the US when they felt use of one was needed or appropriate, and honestly I do not see real change in the ones who almost always insisted on using big CC horns for big works. Put another way, those CC players in the major orchestras who would "never" use a BBflat are not now saying "oh well, ok now THERE'S a BBflat I can use", and "major tubists" who only played CC Grand Orchestral horns for many years are certainly no more open-minded to what works in certain settings than their predecessors. Do today's players have more facility on whatever they do chose to play? Certainly. But are they more equipment conscious?? I don't think so Tim.

[Neptune]

The 701 is red brass (higher copper content than gold brass) with nickel silver valves and leadpipe and appeared on the one I had hand-hammered (could see all the seems)

Sorry, my translation mistake:

For the Cerveny 7xx, the German word is Goldmessing, so I translated gold brass.

No reason to apologise! Maybe in German the Cerveny is called gold brass, but is more usually called red brass in English due to the more red color with higher copper content.

[jonesmj]

Hi-
Having seen this older thread, and with recent interest in large rotary tubas again , I am just wondering what is your favorite:
1). BBb and, 2). CC 'Kaiser' tuba(s) that YOU HAVE PLAYED (whether you own it or not, and whether it is a new model or older horn) these days?

Thanks-

Mark

[bloke]

' still for sale?

[jonesmj]

' still for sale?

I just love asking a question, and having a sarcastic response.....
Mark

[bloke]

OK...a down-to-earth response.

Most of the "Kaiser" stuff that I've played has been Czech. Those types of instruments from Germany seem much more uncommon. I never could figure out the pitch (or the low range) on the Bb's. The scale on all of the huge old rotary C's that I've played has been unusable. Maybe others have stumbled across some better examples.

[Lars Trawen]

When asked what make and model this tuba is, Chris Schmidt, its lucky owner, answered, "It's a Kaiser BBb, purchased from eBay."

These questions certainly are not meant to embarrass Chris (besides, I'd like to try the horn someday!), but I'm curious:

Is "Kaiser" the name of a company, builder, or brand? I thought the term simply referred to a style or size of horn.

Who is the manufacturer of this tuba, and is there an actual model designation? Has anyone besides Chris seen or does anyone else own a tuba exactly like this one?

When working in Holland about 20 years ago, I came across a Dutch manufacturer of tubas, located in Enschede.
The company was named Van Weersel and the tubas were called J.F. Kayser.
I don't know if the company still exists.
One of the models I testplayed was very similar to Chris' Kaiser seen on his picture.
For you to compare, I attach a picture, taken at that occasion.
I was told it was a Miraphone copy. It certainly looks like one.