Steve Marcus wrote:rodgeman wrote:The differences between the Cerveny 601, 701, and 696 are not clear, except that the 601 and 701 are heavier than the 696.
All 7xx Cervenys are complete gold brass.
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The 701 is red brass (higher copper content than gold brass) with nickel silver valves and leadpipe and appeared on the one I had hand-hammered (could see all the seems)
I am glad Chris purchased this tuba. I was bidding on it as well. But looking at the size of this tuba, I would be hard pressed to send enough air through it. This is a young man's tuba.
Beginning again to be a tuba player.
1241 King Double B flat with detachable bell.
"The hills are alive, with the sound of (tuba) music."
Whereas there were tubas this large being produced far, far earlier than 1871.
What were they called then, Klaus?
BBb: King 2341 (new); 1934 Conn 36J;Yamaha 621
EEb: 1970's Besson 3+1 EEb;
Eb helicon: 1922 Buescher;1895(?) "Symphony"
Blokepiece Symphony-MF 3H, 4H-Stofer Geib-Doug Elliot-G&W Bora,Kronos
Cronkhite - Altieri
Sorry, my translation mistake:
For the Cerveny 7xx, the German word is Goldmessing, so I translated gold brass.
I believe this is a major misconception. Big BBflats have always been used by "major tubists" in the US when they felt use of one was needed or appropriate, and honestly I do not see real change in the ones who almost always insisted on using big CC horns for big works. Put another way, those CC players in the major orchestras who would "never" use a BBflat are not now saying "oh well, ok now THERE'S a BBflat I can use", and "major tubists" who only played CC Grand Orchestral horns for many years are certainly no more open-minded to what works in certain settings than their predecessors. Do today's players have more facility on whatever they do chose to play? Certainly. But are they more equipment conscious?? I don't think so Tim.
No reason to apologise! Maybe in German the Cerveny is called gold brass, but is more usually called red brass in English due to the more red color with higher copper content.
Having seen this older thread, and with recent interest in large rotary tubas again , I am just wondering what is your favorite:
1). BBb and, 2). CC 'Kaiser' tuba(s) that YOU HAVE PLAYED (whether you own it or not, and whether it is a new model or older horn) these days?
OK...a down-to-earth response.
Most of the "Kaiser" stuff that I've played has been Czech. Those types of instruments from Germany seem much more uncommon. I never could figure out the pitch (or the low range) on the Bb's. The scale on all of the huge old rotary C's that I've played has been unusable. Maybe others have stumbled across some better examples.
When working in Holland about 20 years ago, I came across a Dutch manufacturer of tubas, located in Enschede.
The company was named Van Weersel and the tubas were called J.F. Kayser.
I don't know if the company still exists.
One of the models I testplayed was very similar to Chris' Kaiser seen on his picture.
For you to compare, I attach a picture, taken at that occasion.
I was told it was a Miraphone copy. It certainly looks like one.
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