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Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:06 am
by Levaix
Here's one I've been wondering about. It seems to be popular to take a lot of old top-valved tubas and convert them to front valves. Would it be possible (or feasible rather) for a skilled technician to do the same with a compensating euphonium without drastically altering the sound and intonation? Or is this the kind of thing that should never be asked due to cost and social stigma?

Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:35 am
by SousaSaver
It's very possible...for an obscene amount of money.
Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:07 am
by Bob Kolada
You would probably run into length issues.
Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:44 am
by cjk
Is your intent to have a front action compensating euphonium or a front action non-compensating euphonium?
Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:15 pm
by Dan Schultz
Levaix wrote:Here's one I've been wondering about. It seems to be popular to take a lot of old top-valved tubas and convert them to front valves. Would it be possible (or feasible rather) for a skilled technician to do the same with a compensating euphonium without drastically altering the sound and intonation? Or is this the kind of thing that should never be asked due to cost and social stigma?

It's not practical to convert top-action valves to front-action valves. However... it is highly possible to put a DIFFERENT front-action valve section on a euphonium but there are darned few front-action compensating euphoniums to use as donors for such a project.
Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:23 pm
by Levaix
cjk: Definitely compensating.
Tinker: The only compensating front-action euphonium I can think of is the Willson 2975 (which I used to own)/Canadian Brass/Marzan. And if you already had one of those I can't imagine ripping it apart for this purpose (for a number of reasons).
Thanks!
Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:02 pm
by J.c. Sherman
BRSousa wrote:It's very possible...for an obscene amount of money.
For enough money, ANYthing is possible!
J.c.S.
Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:03 pm
by TheHatTuba
J.c. Sherman wrote:BRSousa wrote:It's very possible...for an obscene amount of money.
For enough money, ANYthing is possible!
J.c.S.
Then i want a door to door salesman eating dragon

Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:04 pm
by Dan Schultz
Levaix wrote:cjk: Definitely compensating.
Tinker: The only compensating front-action euphonium I can think of is the Willson 2975 (which I used to own)/Canadian Brass/Marzan. And if you already had one of those I can't imagine ripping it apart for this purpose (for a number of reasons).
Thanks!
Yup. That's EXACTLY what I was trying to imply.
Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:02 am
by windshieldbug
Another thing to consider is the compensation type itself... on three valve horns, it works when you add any two valves together; on most four valve horns, it only works if you use the fourth valve. That's the way, I believe, the front action Willson works. Might be more practical to use a 4 front-action non-comp valve block and a Marzan tuba-like top main slide for adjustments.
Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:30 pm
by J.c. Sherman
TheHatTuba wrote:J.c. Sherman wrote:BRSousa wrote:It's very possible...for an obscene amount of money.
For enough money, ANYthing is possible!
J.c.S.
Then i want a door to door salesman eating dragon

That'll be $90 billion. R&D, you know. For smart dragons. Still might eat you.
J.c.S.
Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:13 pm
by tokuno
Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:04 pm
by Bob Kolada
Brilliant!