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Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:06 am
by Levaix
Here's one I've been wondering about. It seems to be popular to take a lot of old top-valved tubas and convert them to front valves. Would it be possible (or feasible rather) for a skilled technician to do the same with a compensating euphonium without drastically altering the sound and intonation? Or is this the kind of thing that should never be asked due to cost and social stigma? :oops:

Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:35 am
by SousaSaver
It's very possible...for an obscene amount of money.

Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:07 am
by Bob Kolada
You would probably run into length issues.

Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:44 am
by cjk
Is your intent to have a front action compensating euphonium or a front action non-compensating euphonium?

Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:15 pm
by Dan Schultz
Levaix wrote:Here's one I've been wondering about. It seems to be popular to take a lot of old top-valved tubas and convert them to front valves. Would it be possible (or feasible rather) for a skilled technician to do the same with a compensating euphonium without drastically altering the sound and intonation? Or is this the kind of thing that should never be asked due to cost and social stigma? :oops:
It's not practical to convert top-action valves to front-action valves. However... it is highly possible to put a DIFFERENT front-action valve section on a euphonium but there are darned few front-action compensating euphoniums to use as donors for such a project.

Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:23 pm
by Levaix
cjk: Definitely compensating.

Tinker: The only compensating front-action euphonium I can think of is the Willson 2975 (which I used to own)/Canadian Brass/Marzan. And if you already had one of those I can't imagine ripping it apart for this purpose (for a number of reasons).

Thanks!

Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:02 pm
by J.c. Sherman
BRSousa wrote:It's very possible...for an obscene amount of money.
For enough money, ANYthing is possible! :twisted:

J.c.S.

Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:03 pm
by TheHatTuba
J.c. Sherman wrote:
BRSousa wrote:It's very possible...for an obscene amount of money.
For enough money, ANYthing is possible! :twisted:

J.c.S.
Then i want a door to door salesman eating dragon :twisted:

Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:04 pm
by Dan Schultz
Levaix wrote:cjk: Definitely compensating.

Tinker: The only compensating front-action euphonium I can think of is the Willson 2975 (which I used to own)/Canadian Brass/Marzan. And if you already had one of those I can't imagine ripping it apart for this purpose (for a number of reasons).

Thanks!
Yup. That's EXACTLY what I was trying to imply.

Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:02 am
by windshieldbug
Another thing to consider is the compensation type itself... on three valve horns, it works when you add any two valves together; on most four valve horns, it only works if you use the fourth valve. That's the way, I believe, the front action Willson works. Might be more practical to use a 4 front-action non-comp valve block and a Marzan tuba-like top main slide for adjustments.

Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:30 pm
by J.c. Sherman
TheHatTuba wrote:
J.c. Sherman wrote:
BRSousa wrote:It's very possible...for an obscene amount of money.
For enough money, ANYthing is possible! :twisted:

J.c.S.
Then i want a door to door salesman eating dragon :twisted:
That'll be $90 billion. R&D, you know. For smart dragons. Still might eat you.

J.c.S.

Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:13 pm
by tokuno
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Re: Valve Conversion on Comp. Euph: Possible?

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:04 pm
by Bob Kolada
Brilliant!