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Postby Tundratubast » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:36 am

Edited original text; Added photos to the post, This is a monster, plays very well and had loads of fun during a recent dixie gig.

Does anybody have any information regarding the existance of this type of York beast, in the BBb catagory of course, and any info regarding the larger posibility of a "Monster" version of a York? I know that they are probably damn heavy.
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Re: York - York Master BBb Sousaphones

Postby bloke » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:55 am

Tundratubaist wrote:Does anybody have any information regarding the existance of this type of York beast, in the BBb catagory of course, and any info regarding the larger posibility of a "Jumbo" version of a York / YM? How do they play? intonation, bore?? I know that they are probably damn heavy.
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Most often - but not always - "York Master" stuff was made in Germany by Boehm & Meinl.
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Re: York - York Master BBb Sousaphones

Postby Rick Denney » Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:01 pm

I'm not sure there were any YM sousaphones. I'm thinking that sousaphones with the York label were still made in Grand Rapids while their premium tubas were imported from B&M and given the YM label.

Others might remember more, but my recollection is that the Grand Rapids factory continued to make student-model instruments while more serious stuff came from Germany.

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Re: York - York Master BBb Sousaphones

Postby bloke » Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:04 pm

I have a couple of junk Eb sousaphone valvesets (.750" bore) that definitely are B&M (pistons would probably fit an old HB tuba, etc.).

I've seen quite a few "York Master" sousaphones on eBay - over the years - with the telltale nickel silver outside slide tubing.
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Re: York - York Master BBb Sousaphones

Postby imperialbari » Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:04 pm

The York Master engraving also was found on student model BBb tubas with the same wrap as the 0.750" bore BBb tubas. Only the the student models just had 3 valves and their bore was much smaller.

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Re: York - York Master BBb Sousaphones

Postby Z-Tuba Dude » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:46 pm

I can verify the existence of York Master sousaphones.
I own one, of the Eb persuasion.
It is a great sounding horn, that I picked up for $75 at a sidewalk sale!
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Re: York - York Master BBb Sousaphones

Postby Lee Stofer » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:02 pm

The York- Master Model tubas and sousaphones were definitely made by Boehm & Meinl, and they are potentially fine instruments. As far as I know, the largest York- Master tubas and sousas were essentially 4/4 sized instruments.

I understand that all Grand Rapids production ceased by sometime in 1940. Before that, York in the USA made several sousaphones, including the monster BBb that I'll be marching with this Saturday. It sounds like a 6/4 concert tuba, and it is NOT lightweight . . . . .(!) Although it is not quite as massive as the Conn or King jumbos, it does have the original Big Valves and is plenty large.

The most unusual aspect of the Grand Rapids York sousas is the unique upper- and lower mouthpipe. With the above-mentioned instrument and another, York model 33-sized sousaphone that I'm finishing, the biggest hassle was fabricating a reproduction neck for these sousas. Instead of traditional bracing, they employ a sort-of brass dorsal fin for stiffness on both the upper and lower portions, and seem to play best with one bit.
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Re: York - York Master BBb Sousaphones

Postby KiltieTuba » Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:22 pm

Lee Stofer wrote:...
I understand that all Grand Rapids production ceased by sometime in 1940. Before that, York in the USA made several sousaphones, including the monster BBb that I'll be marching with this Saturday. It sounds like a 6/4 concert tuba, and it is NOT lightweight . . . . .(!) Although it is not quite as massive as the Conn or King jumbos, it does have the original Big Valves and is plenty large.
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Is that like the one that Paul Ogushwitz has/had?
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Re: York - York Master BBb Sousaphones

Postby Tundratubast » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:16 pm

Update, I have just acquired the sousaphone in question. It is in fact a York Band Instrument Co, sousaphone, Satin silver w/ the typical gold wash bell. Serial Number 110xxx, meaning 1931-38, depending opon which list one referes. It has a 26" bell, .750 bore, 3v BBb; funky mouthpipe design, and the neatist spring loaded waterkeys on each of the valve casings. Heavy as h***, I'm thinking this is their Model 786 BBb, Big *** mouthpipe bore, every mpc I had fell in. Fortunately, the seller included a very nice mpc to go with it.
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Re: York - York Master BBb Sousaphones

Postby KiltieTuba » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:31 pm

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Re: York - BBb Sousaphones; PIC's added

Postby Tundratubast » Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:21 pm

Bump w/ Pics.
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Re: York - BBb Sousaphones; PIC's added

Postby Bob Kolada » Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:12 am

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Re: York - BBb Sousaphones; PIC's added

Postby Tundratubast » Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:34 am

Thanks Bob, They are definitely lots of fun, Pretty much covers everything I need, when I complete the EEb 5v Buescher, I Need to make some more socket flanges and adjust a couple of slides, but, it should complete a very functional arsenal.
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Re: York - BBb Sousaphones; PIC's added

Postby tubatech » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:57 pm

i think i have a couple of those
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Re: York - BBb Sousaphones; PIC's added

Postby Stryk » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:08 pm

I saw a York Helicon in a music store window recently.
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Postby edsel585960 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:07 pm

Bob Kolada wrote:Image


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That's a nice looking silver 20J there.
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Re: York - BBb Sousaphones; PIC's added

Postby Daniel C. Oberloh » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:51 pm

This past summer I completed work on a customer's two York Band Instrument Co. Jumbo sousaphones (big project), one made in 1934 the other 1936. One required fabrication of the complete 2nd valve piston assembly and top cap, Along with complete reproduction gooseneck assemblies (from scratch) for each of the pair. Very nice instruments.

The owner was quite happy with the overall quality and playability of the pair.

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Re: York - BBb Sousaphones; PIC's added

Postby lost » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:59 pm

The york monster sousaphones are fantastic. All the sound of their monster 6/4 tubas but in a sousaphone. Very underrated. They don't approach the size of the jumbo 46k's which is a plus... The large bore .750 isnt made today for sousas(?).

Around same size of a 20k but tapered much different. Less pillowy in sound too!
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