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Louisville Symphony and Craigslist

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:38 pm
by BVD Press

Re: Louisville Symphony and Craigslist

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:45 pm
by TexTuba
:lol:

Re: Louisville Symphony and Craigslist

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:56 pm
by PMeuph
BVD Press wrote:My only comment is "Wow":

http://louisville.craigslist.org/npo/2717031282.html
I thought all the posts on Craigslist were scams.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Re: Louisville Symphony and Craigslist

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:46 am
by bisontuba
Truly as low as it gets......
Mark

Re: Louisville Symphony and Craigslist

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:10 am
by Ben
Tubajason wrote:A low piont for two reasons, one posting this on craigslist, second the number of musicians who will cross the picket line and take the job.
I don't think more musicians will cone across the picket line. Most people with the skill level they are looking for have trained with people who have been in the biz. This add sends up so many red flags that people are going to stay away. Anyone who takes the job is welcoming blacklisting for life in exchange for extremely poor job security. It's an ugly situation

Re: Louisville Symphony and Craigslist

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:35 am
by BVD Press
Ben wrote:
Tubajason wrote:A low piont for two reasons, one posting this on craigslist, second the number of musicians who will cross the picket line and take the job.
I don't think more musicians will cone across the picket line. Most people with the skill level they are looking for have trained with people who have been in the biz. This add sends up so many red flags that people are going to stay away. Anyone who takes the job is welcoming blacklisting for life in exchange for extremely poor job security. It's an ugly situation
I agree with Ben and find it interesting that the ad even states:
Please be advised that the Louisville Orchestra is currently regarded
by the AFM as being on the union's "Unfair List." Union members who
choose to work for an orchestra on the "Unfair List," risk being fined
and disciplined by the AFM. The Louisville Orchestra does not require
any musician to resign their union membership in order to work for the
LO, nor does it require musicians who work for the LO to retain union
membership.
Maybe they need to do this by law? A bad situation regardless...

Re: Louisville Symphony and Craigslist

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:32 pm
by Mark
I am not convinced that the LSO actually posted this. I guess I find it hard to believe that they would be this stupid.

Re: Louisville Symphony and Craigslist

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:42 pm
by Mark
bloke wrote:
Mark wrote:I am not convinced that the LSO actually posted this. I guess I find it hard to believe that they would be this stupid.

This is linked directly from the Louisville Orchestra website:

http://www.louisvilleorchestra.org/wp-c ... -Email.pdf
Wow! They are that stupid!

Re: Louisville Symphony and Craigslist

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:30 pm
by Brian C
If I were a young hotshot from Asia, (assuming the blacklist wouldn't hurt them in their home country), I'd go for it.

Re: Louisville Symphony and Craigslist

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:42 pm
by kontrabass
I think you guys are underestimating the permanent and permanently growing state of employment crisis that exists among recent university and conservatory graduates. Even if nine out of ten qualified players choose not to cross picket lines for moral reasons, I bet the orchestra will still have no trouble filling its ranks with young, highly skilled players from that 10%, without even needing to hire foreign players at that.

Re: Louisville Symphony and Craigslist

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:45 pm
by tclements
Sadly, there will be a whole SLEW of musicians lining up to play this gig. As a lifelong Musicians Union member (joined when I was 18), this saddens me a great deal. However, in light of the current economy, who doesn't want work?

Re: Louisville Symphony and Craigslist

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:00 pm
by Michael Bush
kontrabass wrote:I think you guys are underestimating the permanent and permanently growing state of employment crisis that exists among recent university and conservatory graduates.
Exactly. And likewise the growing unsustainability of the century + old collective bargaining model the orchestras seem stuck in. I keep wondering how much damage to our culture we will allow before we start to question it.