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Ear Training

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:07 pm
by TinyTubist97
I love composing music and sometimes I get a really great idea in my head for a new song but I'm no where near any notating software or anything to record myself with. I try to write it down on a piece of paper but in the process of figuring out the notes I forget the tune. I have been practicing my ear training but do you guys know of any really effective method that wouldn't be too expensive? I've started to develop my relative pitch so now I can recall any note but I would like to be able to recall the notes and intervals faster.

Right now I just use songs to get the intervals like this:

m2- Jaws theme
M2- Birthday song
m3- The melody from a marching band song I played
M3- when the saints go marching in
P4- here comes the bride
Tritone- The simpsons
P5- Twinkle twinkle little star
m6- (this was surprisingly hard to figure out!!) the 3rd and 4th note of the entertainer a.k.a the ice-cream man song
M6- NBC chimes
m7- star trek
M7- 1st and 3rd note of somewhere over the rainbow
Octave- Somewhere over the rainbow

Re: Ear Training

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:09 pm
by TheHatTuba
Musictheory.net has some cool exercises.

Re: Ear Training

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:04 pm
by Trevor Bjorklund
You really want to learn to train your ear? Get the Modus Novus (Lars Edlund) and work through it using a tuning fork for a reference pitch. If you rely on pieces of music to provide you with intervals, they (the other pieces) will get in the way of what you are trying to hear.

Practice notating small pieces you already know: can you successfully notate "Happy Birthday?" Or X-mas carols (Silent Night, for example)? Work on it every day and check yourself at the piano AFTER you have notated a decent chunk.

Although it's hard work at first, it gets easier and easier with time and will give you the freedom to compose anywhere. I NEVER let my students use notation programs to "compose," only to transcribe what they've already composed and notated by hand.

Re: Ear Training

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:45 pm
by PMeuph
TinyTubist97 wrote:I love composing music and sometimes I get a really great idea in my head for a new song but I'm no where near any notating software or anything to record myself with. I try to write it down on a piece of paper but in the process of figuring out the notes I forget the tune. I have been practicing my ear training but do you guys know of any really effective method that wouldn't be too expensive? I've started to develop my relative pitch so now I can recall any note but I would like to be able to recall the notes and intervals faster.

Right now I just use songs to get the intervals like this:

m2- Jaws theme
M2- Birthday song
m3- The melody from a marching band song I played
M3- when the saints go marching in
P4- here comes the bride
Tritone- The simpsons
P5- Twinkle twinkle little star
m6- (this was surprisingly hard to figure out!!) the 3rd and 4th note of the entertainer a.k.a the ice-cream man song
M6- NBC chimes
m7- star trek
M7- 1st and 3rd note of somewhere over the rainbow
Octave- Somewhere over the rainbow
I personally don't like this Song recognition interval memory trick. I find that the big hindrance that it creates is that there is always a multi-step process to get the intervals. ( ie. 1. remember the song, 2. two sing it back, 3. extract the proper excerpt, 4. compare it)

The best method, imho, is to learn solfege using a movable do-based system. Which is, btw, commonly taught in most universities...(Some schools/conservatories use the fixed-do system)

To get proficient at this system you need to sing back and identify scales.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solf%C3%A8 ... lf.C3.A8ge" target="_blank

Start by singing scales in ascending and then descending order, then sing them in thirds, then fourths, etc...

Then start singing chords, starting with triads, then 7th chords, then 9ths....

Re: Ear Training

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:07 pm
by pierso20
the elephant wrote:My best advice that does not answer the question you ask but seems to address your need as you describe it:

Purchase a cheapo microcassette recorder for dictation, or maybe a more modern digital dictation device.

Get an idea? Click it on and record yourself.

Later, get to a piano and play it back over and over as you 1.) notate your rhythm, then 2.) notate your pitches (first as you sang them and then maybe with some tweaks) and then, 3.) figure out your harmonic ideas.

Trust me. Having a way to easily and quickly record your own voice at the moment of inspiration will allow you to recapture that inspiration later at a keyboard. It will not happen the first few times, but after you work out a procedure that works well you will be able to save many of your great ideas for later use and analysis.

This one is a good example. BestBuy sells such things, usually near the hard drives and such.

Alternatively, many smart phones have dictation apps (like voice notes). My iPhone has them and I actually record rehearsals and concerts that way when I am at work. These are of low quality but help me hear my pitch and timing. They are more than good enough for sung melodic fragments.

As far as your ideas about intervals - you are on the right track. Where you need to be is where you do not associate an interval with a song, but when you can hear a song and identify an interval. Each has its own sound and quality, so learn them by rote. Associations are a crutch, at best. Get started that way, sure. But get on with things ASAP and get off the associations with other tunes. Otherwise you will hear your own music as patches from other songs; not good.

Best of luck to you.
This is solid advice. Personally, I'm too lazy to do that consistently but I have done it and it works remarkably well. Ear training is useful, but if you spend all your time ear training rather than writing, think of how much good music could have fallen out of your head!

Re: Ear Training

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:28 pm
by The Jackson
The great thing about ear training is that if you like to listen to music, then you can practice the ear training. All you have to do is nit-pick at intervals or chord progressions or whatever you want to work on with the music that you already listen to. You can only get better at it! I always have fun with it.

Re: Ear Training

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:44 am
by pierso20
bloke wrote:In this regard, great composers do not need to sit at a [piano] keyboard to compose music.
Not necessarily true. This would assume all great composers can hear everything they are writing in their head as is and that writing music is only a formal transcription from what is in their head. So you would not have composers cross out, rearrange, make errors, etc. on their drafts.

I think great composers will do whatever is necessary to produce great music. The difference between a great composer and a not-so great is this: The great composer is good at it and uses all the tools he/she needs to be successful and does so with confidence. The not-so great composer has trouble producing a work with conviction.

Re: Ear Training

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:35 am
by iiipopes
And then, there's the old "music lab" tapes (with the obligatory monotone voice), played on Wollensak reel-to-reel players (anybody remember those?):
(tone) -- (tone) -- m-i-n-o-r s-e-c-o-n-d
(tone) -- (tone) -- m-a-j-o-r s-e-c-o-n-d
etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

Re: Ear Training

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:30 am
by Mitch
In this regard, great composers do not need to sit at a [piano] keyboard to compose music.
I agree completely.

I was fortunate to have a lot of FANTASTIC teachers, many of whom are/were considered tops in their respective parts of the musical world. My tuba teachers have included many of the names you know. My voice teachers are known internationally. My organ professors, my bassoon professor, my horn professor, all great and names recognizable. I spent time studying all these non-tuba things because I wanted access to these great teachers and knew there was only so much we could talk about if I walked in with my tuba.

At the undergraduate level and two graduate degrees at major institutions, I never had an ear-training class. I passed out of all of them via the proficiency exams.

Blah blah blah. Fan-frickin-tastic for you, you say. Why do I bring this up, you ask? Because as exceptional as some of these teachers are/were (some are no longer alive), it turned out a chunk was missing, that I didn't even realize was missing. Why would I? I started keyboard instruments at 7, wind instruments at 10 and had learned how to play everything found in a band or orchestra, including harp, to at least a level of competence, many to a level of performance.

But one teacher changed it all.

LISTEN UP ANYONE PRESENTLY AT THE BLAIR SCHOOL AT VANDERBILT.

Her name is Marianne Ploger, a student of Nadia Boulanger (google that name, young 'uns, if you don't know it, as you should) who has taken music cognition and perception skill pedagogy many steps further.

Every lesson was like getting a new set of ears.

Studying with her was like taking every ounce of musical knowledge I'd gathered from all the other teachers and zipping it up quite neatly into a single, fundamental package; fundamental, yet expanded my skills to a point that I wasn't even aware was possible.

A component of that was the acquisition of pitch. I am a hardcore proponent of fixed-do solfegge. If you want to acquire pitch, it's more difficult if you keep moving do. Movable-do intends to include a sense of scale degree/function, but that's fundamentally separate from pitch. If you take a child and the color "yellow," it will be much more difficult for that child to learn his colors if one time "yellow" is "yellow," but the next time it's "orange," and the next time it's "chartreuse." I believe a great many more doors are opened when you call a pitch by the same name all the time. When pitch is acquired, it turns out it can be quite easy to do four-part dictation, of at least 16 measures, in a single hearing with zero mistakes. Of course, there are several other components to the pedagogy more than are described here, but suffice it to say that I once found myself surprised to be doing modal tetrachord identification, with the notes played one at a time across the range of the piano.

To me, a major downfall of our music education system here (the USA) is the outcome-based model. Schools fundamentally push for the test, the concert, the end-game. Proper education must be process-based. When the process is correct, the outcome follows as the only possible outcome. You can get a band/orchestra as a whole to put on a decent performance, but what level of skill can be found in each individual? So many of us were taught to read music by spot identification, i.e., a note on this line is a G, a note in this space is an E, etc. The problem with that is that it fails to incorporate reading music in a way that involves hearing it. How many times have you seen a singer say, "Can you play my note?" I mean C'MON! Can you imagine a professional basketball player saying, "Which one is the free throw line?" But we have "professionals" who don't have/know pitch. Can you imagine an actor saying, "What sound does a 'k' make?," but we have so many instrumentalists who have difficulty playing in tune, because they don't know pitch in a way that's fully integrated. If you have truly, completely, learned how to read music, you will never, NEVER, have to listen to a recording, or have something played for you to hear how it's supposed to go, because you know by looking at it EXACTLY what it is going to sound like. If you close your eyes and think of a yellow banana, can you not "see" a yellow banana? Well, what if you imagine "hearing" a bassoon play an f#? Can you hear an f#? Can you hear it with the sound of a bassoon? What about a tympani playing a Bb? What about a c minor chord, second inversion, played by a trumpet, two horns and a trombone section? It's a very short step from being able to do that and being able to do it on sight when looking at a score.There are a great many facets of our imagination we are encouraged through our lives to develop. I happen to believe that the aural component of our imagination, for most people, to be really underdeveloped, if developed much at all.

If you have acquired that skill set, you don't need a keyboard. Make no mistake, a fundamental and highly important relationship lies between the kinesthetic, visual and aural components of cognition and perception. There are stories of Beethoven's editor paying him a visit, only to find him banging the hell out of a piano with broken strings and completely out of tune. He wasn't playing it for sound, obviously, but rather that relationship between the physical placement of notes/keys and the way that facilitated hearing it in his head.

That Beethoven composed when he was completely deaf is not really that impressive. He had been a hearing person and had an education, training and background that placed all the groundwork. If you were born sighted and traveled the world, but lost your sight due to an accident at age 35, would you suddenly not remember what the Eiffel Tower looked like? Would you forget what the grass looks like? No.

The impressive part of what Beethoven did had nothing to do with his hearing.

If you live anywhere near Nashville and wish to increase your aural skills/cognition/perception, you should start taking lessons with Marianne Ploger. Assuming she has room. I've seen accomplished, well-experienced musicians, people who thought they'd had all the training they needed, walk out of their first lessons with her muttering to themselves, "I...know... nothing." "I have to go practice. Or walk off a pier. I don't know which to do first." Or just, "Holy S**t."

FWIW. We can always learn more.

A great deal also comes from doing a lot, a lot more, then much more, then realizing it's less than 1% of what you need to do. As an example, it's thought by some that we have less than possibly 40% of the music Haydn wrote. He'd get up in the morning, pray, compose, burn what he didn't like, pray, compose some more, burn what he didn't like, pray, and go to bed.

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