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Hi-
See an update on Gemeinhardt tubas on http://www.barthsbrassblog.com" target="_blank

and more pics at:

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Regards-
Mark

If I read this correctly Gene Porkorny is playing a Gemeinhardt F tuba.

jonesmj wrote:Hi-
See an update on Gemeinhardt tubas on http://www.barthsbrassblog.com" target="_blank"

This entire blog is interesting tuba talk.

Does anyone else see phrases such as "ergonomic euphonium" and "started design of a 6/4 tuba" to be the same old buzz words/phrases, promising new stuff to catch interest but only delivering (if that) the same old?

More updates today-FYI-mark

http://www.barthsbrassblog.com" target="_blank

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Further updates today--FYI--mark

http://www.barthsbrassblog.com" target="_blank

Bob Kolada wrote:Does anyone else see phrases such as "ergonomic euphonium" and "started design of a 6/4 tuba" to be the same old buzz words/phrases, promising new stuff to catch interest but only delivering (if that) the same old?

I have seen several Gemeinhardt euphonium prototypes and can tell you they are not the 'same old thing.'

They are bringing the fourth valve in front of the body which is not new. It does reduce the reach required to hold and manipulate the 4th valve which, in turn, can return body posture to a more natural state. The goal is to make it easier to have good posture on euphonium, even if you are not blessed with long arms.

Additionally, they are moving the leadpipe and looking for an angle of approach (my term) to the embouchure which keeps the horn close to the body. The traditional English euphonium carriage put the horn out from the player's torso so that the horn was stabilized by the right arm, left arm (around the horn) and the bottom bow against the player. This new design will give the horn more stability from the torso and require less support from the player's arms.

It remains to be seen if euphonium players will accept any redesign of their instrument. Unlike tubas, euphoniums are instantly recognizable by their shape. Changing from one euphonium manufacture to another presently requires minimal adjustment. The Gemeinhardt instrument could be a major ergonomic improvement, but will euphonium players think it's too different? I think Dick Barth will judge reaction at conventions and make a decision based on that. We'll see.

Hi-
Update today on the production samples of the BBb and CC tubas-FYI-Mark

http://www.barthsbrassblog.com" target="_blank

Alex C wrote:

Bob Kolada wrote:Does anyone else see phrases such as "ergonomic euphonium" and "started design of a 6/4 tuba" to be the same old buzz words/phrases, promising new stuff to catch interest but only delivering (if that) the same old?

I have seen several Gemeinhardt euphonium prototypes and can tell you they are not the 'same old thing.'

They are bringing the fourth valve in front of the body which is not new. It does reduce the reach required to hold and manipulate the 4th valve which, in turn, can return body posture to a more natural state. The goal is to make it easier to have good posture on euphonium, even if you are not blessed with long arms.

Additionally, they are moving the leadpipe and looking for an angle of approach (my term) to the embouchure which keeps the horn close to the body. The traditional English euphonium carriage put the horn out from the player's torso so that the horn was stabilized by the right arm, left arm (around the horn) and the bottom bow against the player. This new design will give the horn more stability from the torso and require less support from the player's arms.

It remains to be seen if euphonium players will accept any redesign of their instrument. Unlike tubas, euphoniums are instantly recognizable by their shape. Changing from one euphonium manufacture to another presently requires minimal adjustment. The Gemeinhardt instrument could be a major ergonomic improvement, but will euphonium players think it's too different? I think Dick Barth will judge reaction at conventions and make a decision based on that. We'll see.

If the intonation and responsiveness of the Weingrill EU-2 that was displayed at TUSABTEC in 2010 are any indication, I rather suspect that Gemeinhardt has more important issues to worry about than the reaction of euph players to the ergonomics.

Hi-
I believe (?) that Dick currently has two prototypes of the Gemeinhardt I-808 Bb compensating euphonium----I don't know if he will have euphs with him when we try the out the production samples of the BBb and CC Gemeinhardt tubas this upcoming Tuesday afternoon.......

mark

jonesmj wrote:Hi-
Update today on the production samples of the BBb and CC tubas-FYI-Mark

http://www.barthsbrassblog.com" target="_blank" target="_blank

So, basically clones of the Besson/Nirschl 4/4 CC & BBb tubas?

tooba wrote:

jonesmj wrote:Hi-
Update today on the production samples of the BBb and CC tubas-FYI-Mark

http://www.barthsbrassblog.com" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

So, basically clones of the Besson/Nirschl 4/4 CC & BBb tubas?

Hi-
Different bell, different lead pipe, different 5th valve ( CC), etc. ---similarities-yes. clone-no.

Mark