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Re: Cerrobend!
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:57 pm
by aqualung
the elephant wrote:the address for that stuff?)
Ebay, there's some deals this week.
Re: Cerrobend!
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:22 pm
by Rick Denney
I've never used it, but I seem to recall that it melts at below the boiling point of water. If so, buy a cheap double-boiler and devote it to Cerrobend. Boil water in the bottom pot, and melt the Cerrobend in the top pot. The lid will help keep an even temperature in the top pot.
Double-boilers were designed for cooking foods that are ruined if they are cooked on a surface that is much hotter than the boiling point of water.
Again, this is a theory. I've not used the stuff.
Rick "where is Chuck G when we need him?" Denney
Re: Cerrobend!
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:38 pm
by Ken Herrick
You got it in 1 Rick,
From the maker's site:
"In using Cerrobend for bending metal tubing, the alloy should be placed in a clean stainless steel pot and put into boiling water. A regular kitchen double-boiler is ideal for small quantities. The water is heated to boiling which completely melts the Cerrobend. Prolonged heating should be avoided. "
http://www.hitechalloys.com/hitechalloys_004.htm" target="_blank" target="_blank
There is more helpful info there and you can order it direct. I recommend you read the info they offer before use as how it is done will effect performance.
Cost for small quanities about $20/lb.
Re: Cerrobend!
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:59 pm
by Daniel C. Oberloh
A stainless steel vessel in a crock pot (double boiler) works great. Don't overheat, pour at roughly 180o F (no more) and cool completely for a good 30 minutes in a cold water bath. Don't air cool as it will be harder and more brittle; You don't want it to fracture in the tube during bending as this will result in ruining the part.
Daniel C. Oberloh
Oberloh Woodwind and Brass Works
http://www.oberloh.com" target="_blank
Re: Cerrobend!
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:04 pm
by SousaSaver
Daniel C. Oberloh wrote:A stainless steel vessel in a crock pot (double boiler) works great. Don't overheat, pour at roughly 180o F (no more) and cool completely for a good 30 minutes in a cold water bath. Don't air cool as it will be harder and more brittle; You don't want it to fracture in the tube during bending as this will result in ruining the part.
Daniel C. Oberloh
Oberloh Woodwind and Brass Works
http://www.oberloh.com" target="_blank" target="_blank
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Re: Cerrobend!
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:40 pm
by aqualung
Anneal only the section where the bend will be. Leave the ends hard.
Re: Cerrobend!
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:50 pm
by Dan Schultz
KiltieTuba wrote:..... In annealing the .687" tube, I burned two holes in the first one... :/ ....
Ian... if you're burning holes in brass... you are getting the brass WAAAAAY too hot! Annealing of brass takes place between 650 and 800 degrees.
Also... if you need to make a TIGHT bend in a tube.... just anneal the area of the bend. No need to anneal the entire tube.
Re: Cerrobend!
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:38 am
by J.c. Sherman
BRSousa wrote:Daniel C. Oberloh wrote:A stainless steel vessel in a crock pot (double boiler) works great. Don't overheat, pour at roughly 180o F (no more) and cool completely for a good 30 minutes in a cold water bath. Don't air cool as it will be harder and more brittle; You don't want it to fracture in the tube during bending as this will result in ruining the part.
Daniel C. Oberloh
Oberloh Woodwind and Brass Works
http://www.oberloh.com" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank
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