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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby euphomate » Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:25 pm

Just as an aside. Yamaha supply one of their 66D4's with some of the tubas they produce as the stock mp. One came with a YEB321 I bought quite some years back. It looks like a copy of a VB 24AW, but I notice it is a tad wider in the cup, according to Yamaha specs, than the 24AW. Has anyone ever compared these two pieces with each other? Does the 66D4 sound/feel/react the same as a 24AW, or is there some subtle difference between the two. You can usually pick up a Yamaha mp cheaper than a Bach, and certainly a Wick.
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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby MikeW » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:34 am

fairweathertuba wrote:One more thing, I remember some bloke (not "bloke", but some bloke) possibly a bloke from the UK who had a spreadsheet with the specifications listed for quite a variety of mp's. Anyone have a link for that webpage with the spreadsheet?


Possibly this: http://www.dwerden.com/mouthpieces/tuba.cfm
That link was ok before I posted this (I checked) but it is now broken
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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby Lectron » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:31 am

Neptune wrote:
fairweathertuba wrote:So, the guys in the top brass bands really use 24AW's?

A lot do and probably the majority of orchestral pros too. In fact I would go so far as to say the 24AW almost defines the British tuba sound

My experience with the compensating tubas is that I prefer them with a large bore MP
Another thing thou...I don't really feel the MP contribute that much playing the compensating ones.
Funny as I feel In need to 'shape' the tone much more in my mouth, having a large resonant chamber
than playing a larger bore rotary valve where I'm much more picky about the MP.
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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby peter birch » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:24 am

MikeW wrote:
fairweathertuba wrote:One more thing, I remember some bloke (not "bloke", but some bloke) possibly a bloke from the UK who had a spreadsheet with the specifications listed for quite a variety of mp's. Anyone have a link for that webpage with the spreadsheet?


Possibly this: http://www.dwerden.com/mouthpieces/tuba.cfm



It could be Andycat, although I can't find it at the moment
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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby AndyCat » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:27 am

peter birch wrote:
MikeW wrote:
fairweathertuba wrote:One more thing, I remember some bloke (not "bloke", but some bloke) possibly a bloke from the UK who had a spreadsheet with the specifications listed for quite a variety of mp's. Anyone have a link for that webpage with the spreadsheet?


Possibly this: http://www.dwerden.com/mouthpieces/tuba.cfm



It could be Andycat, although I can't find it at the moment


It was, and I've made it available here, although it isn't up to date!:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23088415/TubaMouthpieceComparisons2.xls
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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby sousaphone68 » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:37 am

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=48245&p=416694&hilit=+mouthpiece+pdf#p416694

Link above to a post from Imperiali with a PDF showing how DW pieces compare to their similar rivals
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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby peter birch » Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:29 am

sousaphone68 wrote:http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=48245&p=416694&hilit=+mouthpiece+pdf#p416694" target="_blank

Link above to a post from Imperiali with a PDF showing how DW pieces compare to their similar rivals


This is really interesting and enlightening to read, but I'm not sure that it is an entirely unbiased account of the Denis Wick mouthpieces
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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby MikeW » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:03 pm

MikeW wrote:
fairweathertuba wrote:One more thing, I remember some bloke (not "bloke", but some bloke) possibly a bloke from the UK who had a spreadsheet with the specifications listed for quite a variety of mp's. Anyone have a link for that webpage with the spreadsheet?


Possibly this: http://www.dwerden.com/mouthpieces/tuba.cfm
That link was ok before I posted this (I checked) but it is now broken
It's back up now
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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby PaulTkachenko » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:47 pm

What's Bloke's take on the 66D4? I use one for my Eb and it's great. Would I be better off with that instead of my 24AW - I'm going to try it obviously.

This was playing on my mind on tonight's gig.
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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby bloke » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:14 am

I've never seen nor played one. The spec's indicate only a scant improvement over the topical mouthpiece.

- Something approaching a .350" opening is really just too much carburetor (again, imo) for most tubas (bass tubas in particular).
- I personally don't understand (again, except for young children and people with very forward-pointed facial structure) any reason for such a restricted cup opening.
- I personally don't see any advantage to so much metal pinning down the skin and muscles around the lips.

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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby Three Valves » Thu May 18, 2017 8:07 am

cjk wrote:The inner diameter is too small.
The rim is too wide.
The throat is too large.

Seems like it might work OK on those "resistance filled" compensating E flat tubas.


That's exactly what I thought.

But nothing SOUNDS better in my JBB-210L MackBrunner.

Yet. :oops:
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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby Three Valves » Mon May 22, 2017 7:55 am

The Kelly 24AW in Lexan feels a little wider. (Internal diameter)

And the rim a little less wide.

Feels great, sounds great.

Now I want to try one in stainless!!
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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby lowbrassmaniac » Mon May 22, 2017 8:07 am

Three Valves wrote:
cjk wrote:The inner diameter is too small.
The rim is too wide.
The throat is too large.

Seems like it might work OK on those "resistance filled" compensating E flat tubas.


That's exactly what I thought.

But nothing SOUNDS better in my JBB-210L MackBrunner.

Yet. :oops:

Like I mentioned, try the Giddings Taku...opened up mine quite nicely. That horn needs a deep funnel mouthpiece. :evil:
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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby Wyvern » Mon May 22, 2017 8:41 am

Wessex Tubas will soon have in stock the MOUNT VERNON 24AW. This is an exact reproduction of this iconic mouthpiece.

I have compared against Bach 24AW and think the Mount Vernon is the better with richer tone.
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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby royjohn » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:54 pm

Whaat does anyone know about my Benge 24AW? About the same as the others?
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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby Donn » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:56 pm

I see at the top of the page, for whatever reason we were talking about the Conn 7B. Which I've seen dismissed as a bass tuba mouthpiece. Seriously, a lot of players seem to think the dimensions of this mouthpiece (and by extension I guess all the older similar Helleberg types) are too small for contrabass tuba. Its internal cup width is a hair bigger than the 24AW, though, according to the usual charts.

People who think the 24AW is an exceptionally suitable mouthpiece, might think about trying other mouthpieces - rarely considered these days - of similar dimensions. My current theory is that if you picked a bunch of average amateur tuba players, and tried them out on different mouthpieces, the number one thing that would improve their sound, as perceived by a listener, is a reduction of 1mm or more in the cup size.
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Re: 24AW - in praise of

Postby cambrook » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:49 pm

For a long time I was not a fan of the 24AW, but I recently tried a couple of Mt Vernon ones. One of them was fantastic, the other wasn't. The Bach 24AW is one of the most inconsistent mouthpieces I've seen, and that includes the older Mt Vernon versions. Needless to say, some other mouthpieces labelled 24AW are even more varied. As a result, some may suit people more (or less) than the Bachs.

This is an exact reproduction of this iconic mouthpiece.


I think it's great that Wessex will have a copy of a Mt Vernon 24AW, I just hope they've chosen a particularly good one to copy. I guess we'll have to wait and see :-)
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