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4 x 3 + 1 = grumpy wife - she doesn't like dorn
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:41 pm
by PhilGreen
Hi folks,
I'm in the market for a new 3+1 compensating EEb and am fortunate enough that Jonathan (Neptune/Wessex) and Mark (Mr Tuba) have lent me some to try.
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From left to right:
Hand made (unfinished) Mr Tuba model in raw brass, the rarely seen York 3080, the even rarer Miraphone 7050 and the Wessex 981 model. All blow really differently and despite the £5,500 price difference between the most and least expensive all have some great things going for them.
I'm expecting the prototype Neo any day soon - God knows where that's going to go and when I'll get the time to play them all!
Mrs Green isn't happy that her front room is now as full as the 3rd bedroom, where I keep my battered old 982 and my Melton 2040/5.
Re: 4 x 3 + 1 = grumpy wife - she doesn't like dorn
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:04 pm
by sousaphone68
Not asking you to name it but has one of them pushed a nose out in front yet?
It also goes to show there's not much you can do to vary or improve a 3 + 1 layout you have four examples from different sources and makers and they all look very similar externally.
Re: 4 x 3 + 1 = grumpy wife - she doesn't like dorn
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:38 pm
by PhilGreen
KiltieTuba wrote:Took me a while to understand the title... couldn't figure out how 13 got into the mix...
Hopefully not too cryptic but enough to get people to take a look
Re: 4 x 3 + 1 = grumpy wife - she doesn't like dorn
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:55 pm
by Tom Coffey
sousaphone68 wrote:It also goes to show there's not much you can do to vary or improve a 3 + 1 layout you have four examples from different sources and makers and they all look very similar externally.
+1. Just not a lot of design differences evident in that picture!
Re: 4 x 3 + 1 = grumpy wife - she doesn't like dorn
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:14 pm
by sousaphone68
What is the gadget on the 4th valve on the Miraphone?
Is it a trigger for a slide or a keeper for the 4th valve when its in its case?
Re: 4 x 3 + 1 = grumpy wife - she doesn't like dorn
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:11 pm
by PhilGreen
It just keeps the 4th valve locked 'in' when not being used - or alternatively makes it into a BBb

Re: 4 x 3 + 1 = grumpy wife - she doesn't like dorn
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:09 pm
by iiipopes
I would have titled the thread "4 = 3 + 1," or simply "3 X 1" (in the same manner that the common dimensional lumber is referred to as a "2 X 4").
Re: 4 x 3 + 1 = grumpy wife - she doesn't like dorn
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:32 am
by PhilGreen
Feels a bit wooden doesn't it?
If anyone is interested I'll note down my thoughts on each one when I've had a bit more time with each. If not Noel, I'll drop you a PM when ready.
Re: 4 x 3 + 1 = grumpy wife - she doesn't like dorn
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:33 am
by LCH3
PhilGreen wrote:Feels a bit wooden doesn't it?
If anyone is interested I'll note down my thoughts on each one when I've had a bit more time with each. If not Noel, I'll drop you a PM when ready.
Please do report on your evaluation.
Thanks...
Re: 4 x 3 + 1 = grumpy wife - she doesn't like dorn
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:14 am
by J.c. Sherman
What's a Neo?
Re: 4 x 3 + 1 = grumpy wife - she doesn't like dorn
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:27 am
by PhilGreen
J.c. Sherman wrote:What's a Neo?
It's the new model from Yamaha to go with the Neo BBb released in the lat couple of years. Should be available in production next year I'm led to believe.
Re: 4 x 3 + 1 = grumpy wife - she doesn't like dorn
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:04 pm
by J.c. Sherman
Hmmm... wonder why they ran with "Neo" instead of "Xeno".
Still was hoping to try a lacquered 622...
J.c.S.
Re: 4 x 3 + 1 = grumpy wife - she doesn't like dorn
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:17 pm
by DaTubaKid
J.c. Sherman wrote:Hmmm... wonder why they ran with "Neo" instead of "Xeno".
Still was hoping to try a lacquered 622...
J.c.S.
Because
is better than

Re: 4 x 3 + 1 = grumpy wife - she doesn't like dorn
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:27 pm
by J.c. Sherman
I'll take the latter, thank you
And why do you think I want the 622 over the 622S

Re: 4 x 3 + 1 = grumpy wife - she doesn't like dorn
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:24 am
by MartyNeilan
J.c. Sherman wrote:I'll take the latter, thank you
And why do you think I want the 622 over the 622S

I'll take a vintage Wonder Woman model
(fully restored, of course)