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Tuba in Beethoven's 5th Symphony

Postby bill » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:49 am

Has anyone played Beethoven's 5th with a tuba part added or extrapolated as has been done for the 9th? Does anyone have a source for this, if it exists?

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Re: Tuba in Beethoven's 5th Symphony

Postby PMeuph » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:12 am

There's a Mahler re-orchestration for the 5th symphony as well as every other Beethoven symphony. I haven't seen any of the scores (I believe the critical scores are still not published yet).
I have a heard a recording of the 9th and there is a decent amount of tuba.
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Re: Tuba in Beethoven's 5th Symphony

Postby dgpretzel » Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:22 pm

Our orchestra played Beethoven 5 last year. I was given the contrabassoon part to play.

We are playing Beethoven 9 this year. I don't know if I will be asked to play the contrabassoon part, or not.

Regarding the Mahler orchestrations... Is there a way to review or purchase that material?

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Re: Tuba in Beethoven's 5th Symphony

Postby hrender » Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:29 pm

Josef Weinberger has the scores for hire. Don't know about other sources.
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Re: Tuba in Beethoven's 5th Symphony

Postby imperialbari » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:43 pm

PMeuph wrote:There's a Mahler re-orchestration for the 5th symphony as well as every other Beethoven symphony. I haven't seen any of the scores (I believe the critical scores are still not published yet).
I have a heard a recording of the 9th and there is a decent amount of tuba.


Did you read it octave down?

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Re: Tuba in Beethoven's 5th Symphony

Postby imperialbari » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:43 pm

PMeuph wrote:There's a Mahler re-orchestration for the 5th symphony as well as every other Beethoven symphony. I haven't seen any of the scores (I believe the critical scores are still not published yet).
I have a heard a recording of the 9th and there is a decent amount of tuba.


Did you read it octave down?

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Re: Tuba in Beethoven's 5th Symphony

Postby Steve Marcus » Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:49 am

An orchestra with which I play has Beethoven 9 and Mahler Songs of a Wayfarer scheduled for a spring concert. What a natural connection, I suggested, to have the Beethoven performed in the Mahler edition?

Unfortunately, the rental costs for a single performance ($982?) + the fees for the additional musicians (including, of course, the tubist) resulted in a thumbs down by the Executive Director.
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Re: Tuba in Beethoven's 5th Symphony

Postby Neptune » Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:53 am

I have a very nice tuba part for Beethoven 9 which the conductor of my orchestra wrote for me. I have in PDF if anyone wants to put forward for playing with their orchestra. It works really well and to my ears sounds just right like Beethoven may have written if the tuba had existed in his day. The tuba plays throughout the first movement when there are no trombones and then in the last. It is definitely a bass tuba part with a lot of moving around in the high register and requiring delicate touch. I particularly like the Turkish march section. Now if I listen to the 9th without tuba, it sounds something is missing - it really seemed to enhance the symphony! :wink:

If my orchestra does the 5th some time, no doubt he will write part for that (I am lucky my conductor loves the sound of the tuba!) - he has promised me part for Schubert 9th Great Symphony when the orchestra plays it next year.
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Re: Tuba in Beethoven's 5th Symphony

Postby JohnSzkutko » Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:26 am

dgpretzel wrote:Our orchestra played Beethoven 5 last year. I was given the contrabassoon part to play.

We are playing Beethoven 9 this year. I don't know if I will be asked to play the contrabassoon part, or not.

Regarding the Mahler orchestrations... Is there a way to review or purchase that material?

DG


I played the contra bassoon part for Beethoven 9 a few years ago.

Firstly, it's written up an octave (lazy reading bassoon players) so you'll obviously have to read it down 1.

Secondly, really only 1 part of it is actually suitable with a tuba substitute, the Bb 6 lines below the staff. It's even a solo passage to start with before the orchestra builds upon this foundation. Kinda cool this situation 8)

The rest of the part mainly doubles the basses. Make sure you have your double and triple articulation in top condition to play this florid (not horrid) stuff. Also, try to play at p level during this, as you will wolf up the orchestra without trying. Remember, you're doubling with basses and you're supposed to be a bassoon.

It is tricky for volume balance and trying to balance "devoted practice time" vs "will they clearly hear this florid fly shit". You also feel like a shag on a rock sitting next to the bassoons... kinda like "something doesn't belong here" feeling then wondering if the Beethoven enthusiasts in the audience will notice or not.

Despite any self imposed anxieties, at the end of the concert it is worth the effort. You actually have the best seat in the house to experience this wonderful work, live on stage :tuba:
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