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Re: yup
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:38 am
by bort
Also... the show "America's Got Talent" really should be "America Has Talent."
Apparently America does not have grammar as a talent. Maybe we should pick it up as an ability.

Re: yup
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:42 am
by Donn
Reference? The dictionary at hand here says ability is simply capacity to do something, or (2nd definition) more specifically talent.
Re: yup
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:36 pm
by chronolith
bort wrote:Also... the show "America's Got Talent" really should be "America Has Talent."
Bort, you got to Think Different™(ly).
Re: yup
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:22 pm
by MikeW
bort wrote:
Also... the show "America's Got Talent" really should be "America Has Talent."
Apparently America does not have grammar as a talent. Maybe we should pick it up as an ability.

Edit:"Your quotes are incorrectly snipped, fwiw..." Sorry - I've fixed it.
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Edit: potentially political pun removed by author, to avoid fall-out
Re: yup
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:19 pm
by Donn
More generous snip:
dictionary.com wrote:
a·bil·i·ty [uh-bil-i-tee]
noun, plural a·bil·i·ties.
- power or capacity to do or act physically, mentally, legally, morally, financially, etc.
- competence in an activity or occupation because of one's skill, training, or other qualification: the ability to sing well.
- abilities, talents; special skills or aptitudes: Composing music is beyond his abilities.
Re: yup
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:12 pm
by MartyNeilan
MikeW wrote:Taking the Biblical meaning...
And now the news - ditto ?
Bloke knows.

Re: yup
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:36 am
by hup_d_dup
bort wrote:Also... the show "America's Got Talent" really should be "America Has Talent."
Apparently America does not have grammar as a talent. Maybe we should pick it up as an ability.

The song "I've Gotta Be Me" should properly have been named "I've Got To Be I."
Hup
Re: yup
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:43 am
by Rick F
and...
"You've got mail" should be "You have mail"
Re: yup
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:14 am
by Donn
Rick F wrote:and...
"You've got mail" should be "You have mail"
If used carefully in this way only, this "have got" idiom expresses a useful semantic distinction. In the present case, let's review the facts - do you have mail? I certainly do, I have thousands of email messages. But of course this announcement is talking about the subset of those email messages that have recently arrived, so it properly emphasizes the verb, informing me not that I
have mail, which I knew, but that I
have got mail. (Using "have" to relate it to the present - "You got mail" would be an odd way to announce that and would again suggest some ambiguity about the timeline.)
If that usage has been incorrect, then we've got a more expressive language this way, a delightful development. The usage failures that deserve our hate are the ones that cost us expressive potential, such as the conflation of
envious and
jealous.