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i am looking into Mack tubas any thoughts?

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should u get a Mack TU210L tuba its a 4/4 4 rotor valved tuba

Yes or No

Maybe.

Maybe not.

KiltieTuba wrote:Here... I've done your work for you...... (clip).... Next time, as there probably will be, try using the ADVANCE SEARCH

Or, since this is practically the same thread as your other one, just add to an existing thread!

Dang, Kiltie! You're gettin' almost as mean as The Elephant!

dmeacham5 wrote:should u get a Mack TU210L tuba its a 4/4 4 rotor valved tuba

Yes or No

If you want one, yes. If not, no. No one here is going to tell you what to do.

But if you want one, you can't go wrong dealing with Tom.

I have purchased a trumpet and trombone from Tom and I had no problems with the instruments or the service he provided. I will be getting a CC tuba from him in the spring.

Tom provides exceptional customer service. PM me for any other discusson.

Jim

I've been to Toms house to try the euphonium and have met him. You can't go wrong with dealing with him. He inspects all of his inventory and won't sell anything that doesn't pass his own quality check. I don't know how the tubas play as I didn't try them but the euphonium is a excellent value.
I went there with a fellow euphonium player who left with one of the Mack Brass horns. It's a great playing horn.

dmeacham5 wrote:should u get a Mack TU210L tuba its a 4/4 4 rotor valved tuba
Yes or No

I've got one. I like it. Is it as good as the $16,000 Hirsbrunner 192 it replicates? No, but at 1/10 the cost, its value per dollar is just outstanding. It has no glaring deficiencies, and it's rock-solid. (Some people have suggested it replicates the Hirsbrunner maybe a little too well, idiosyncrasies and all.)

To echo previous comments, Tom McGrady is just excellent to deal with, both in terms of sharing information and making the transaction go smoothly.

goodgigs wrote:please tell us (if you have) in what specific ways the HB is better.

I was wondering that too!

Experience with other models is more money, does not necessarily mean better playing...

goodgigs wrote:just for the record I want to ask you this;
Have you ever played on the $16,000 Hirsburner 192 side by side with yours ?

No, honestly never have, so I cannot say with authority that the Hirsbrunner is better, however, anecdotally it is.

Having said that, I would LOVE to see the results of a double-blind* comparison between the two. (Sounds like a great university project, no?)

*Double-blind means that none of the auditioners, players nor those handing the horns to the players knows which horn is which.

if you have had Great experiences or very bad experiences or have any concerns about Mack please pm and tell me your thoughts and opinions if you don't want to say it on an open forum.

jsmn4vu wrote:Having said that, I would LOVE to see the results of a double-blind* comparison between the two. (Sounds like a great university project, no?)

*Double-blind means that none of the auditioners, players nor those handing the horns to the players knows which horn is which.

I am not sure how that could be managed, but would be very interesting!

I would also like to try with the compensated euphonium v Yamaha, compensated Eb v Besson 981, rotary CC v Miraphone 186 and 5/4 front piston BBb v Miraphone 1291.

If any universities in Michigan would like to try such an experiment, Wessex Tubas would be happy to make available the Chinese manufactured horns for the play comparison. Could even record for TubeNeters to hear for themselves.

jsmn4vu wrote:..... Having said that, I would LOVE to see the results of a double-blind* comparison between the two. (Sounds like a great university project, no?)

*Double-blind means that none of the auditioners, players nor those handing the horns to the players knows which horn is which.

Now.... just how in the heck would you do that! I guess you could bundle each horn in gunny sacks. But then.... you would have to quantify the type of gunny sack, too.

TubaTinker wrote:Now.... just how in the heck would you do that! I guess you could bundle each horn in gunny sacks. But then.... you would have to quantify the type of gunny sack, too.

It'd be sufficient to blindfold the players, put them behind a screen, and use PE majors (under a vow of silence) to handle the horns.

dmeacham5 wrote:if you have had Great experiences or very bad experiences or have any concerns about Mack please pm and tell me your thoughts and opinions if you don't want to say it on an open forum.

I was not going to chime in on this but I will because this is something I am very proud of. As to the question of anyone having a bad experience with me or what I sell? the answer is no, no-on on this forum or anyone who has purchased from me has had a bad experience with what they have purchased or with the customer service I provide. If a customer is not happy, I am not happy and I wont be untill they are completely satisfied. One thing I pride myself in is how I treat my customers and making sure that the fit of the instrument they are looking at matches what they are looking for. My approach is that of a fellow musician and teacher, not a sales guy sitting behind a counter that has no idea what they are talking about or stocking on their shelves.

There is a questbook on my website that people have signed letting others know of their experience, I do not filter these, I post them all as they come in. I also have many Youtube demo videos that tell a clear story of how these instruments play and to help allow others in making an educated decision on their purchase. http://www.youtube.com/user/hthomasmcgrady?feature=mhee" target="_blank" target="_blank

There is one thing that I find very interesting and that is how diverse opions can be on any specific model of any type horn. Case in point, I just posted this demo video of the piccolo trumpet played by Brian Strawley the Assistant Principal of the Richmond Symphony, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvzljrMh" target="_blank" target="_blank ... plpp_video

The horn was good enough for Brian to buy and demo for me, but I just had a different customer leave me a message that he was sending one back, not sure as to the reason, but that’s OK because everyone is different. We have sold over 315 instruments this year and the piccolo will be only our third return.

As to a blind test, it’s all about the player not the horn they are playing. I would love to perform a blind test for any of the tubas I carry for all to hear but the best thing I tell people is to try it for themselves and leave your mind open as you just might be very surprised. Is there a difference between the original and the copy? Maybe, but is the difference worth 5-15k, heck no. If someone has the bread to spend on something that runs 10k or more, go for it. Will it sound better? Not sure about that because again, it’s the player that makes the horn, not the horn that makes the player.

mctuba1 wrote:... As to a blind test, it’s all about the player not the horn they are playing........ again, it’s the player that makes the horn, not the horn that makes the player.

Really!?