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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC

Postby Dan Schultz » Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:10 pm

OK... a 'sequel'....

I just got off the phone with LB. He will take a look at this thread in the next day or so. In the meantime... here is some fresh information:

On the back row:
- Pete Sexauer if playing a euphonium.
- the 'unknown' player to LB's right is probably playing a King.
- LB is playing a Conn three-valved Eb.
- Fred Marzan is playing a Besson four-valved Eb.
- the 'unknown' player on the right end is playing ??

On the front row:
- Bell Bell is playing LB's horn... which was a Martin according to LB.
- Jerry Lackey is playing a ??
- Richard Council is playing a ??
- James Linn is playing a ??

It was suggested that one of the unknown payers name was 'Winston' but according to LB... he wasn't at IU yet.

LB... you'll have to fill in the blanks. Curious minds need to know!
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC

Postby tuben » Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:40 pm

TubaTinker wrote:On the front row:
- Richard Council is playing a ??


Sure looks like an Alex 163 CC to me.
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC

Postby Dan Schultz » Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:46 pm

tuben wrote:
TubaTinker wrote:On the front row:
- Richard Council is playing a ??


Sure looks like an Alex 163 CC to me.


You should know! I think LB did mention that to me earlier today but I just wasn't quick enough with a pencil to make a note of it. :oops:
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby Stryk » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:45 am

Makes me sad to know that whoever has this horn now may not even know who Bill Bell was nor appreciate the history that horn has had. I know they are only tools, and pedigree does not make something more valuable, but it is a part of history.
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby kingconn » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:18 am

I've often wondered if Fred Marzan got "his " idea of a slanted rotor from this horn.
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby Dan Schultz » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:39 am

kingconn wrote:I've often wondered if Fred Marzan got "his " idea of a slanted rotor from this horn.


The 'slant-rotor' concept was already on the table when Fred Marzan entered the room. I'm pretty sure the only thing he added was the main tuning slide 'on the top'.
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby cktuba » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:43 am

And I wish this was an option on all tubas.
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby Mikelynch » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:48 pm

The album cover posted by Paul shows Jay McAllister with his rotary valve Martin CC. It has a great sound, but the horn serves as a testament to Jay's skills as a player. It has an early "vented valve," a spit valve on the upwardly-extending first valve slide. The valves on the horn are incredibly leaky now--so Jay played it a lot.

Jay sounds pretty good on the album.

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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby Frank Ortega » Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:49 am

Scroll Down to see a detachable bell Alex Kaiser BBb for sale at Best music;

Looks like the BART in the back row.

http://www.bestmusicco.com/home/index.p ... &Itemid=28
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby Dan Schultz » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:57 pm

Frank Ortega wrote:Scroll Down to see a detachable bell Alex Kaiser BBb for sale at Best music;

Looks like the BART in the back row.

http://www.bestmusicco.com/home/index.p ... &Itemid=28" target="_blank


Nice. I've not seen one of those. Thanks for posting. Could be the horn in the 'back row'. I'm waiting for LB to get his computer turned on and tuned in so he can start posting here!
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby jeopardymaster » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:59 pm

Robert, I strongly suspect that the Besson Fred Marzan is holding is the Besson you bought from his estate.
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby tuben » Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:40 am

jeopardymaster wrote:Robert, I strongly suspect that the Besson Fred Marzan is holding is the Besson you bought from his estate.


Yes, I know. Long gone now. Never reappeared after it was stolen from me.
I got to play it exactly three times. :(
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby Stryk » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:39 am

tuben wrote:
jeopardymaster wrote:Robert, I strongly suspect that the Besson Fred Marzan is holding is the Besson you bought from his estate.


Yes, I know. Long gone now. Never reappeared after it was stolen from me.
I got to play it exactly three times. :(


Never thought someone would steal a tuba! It would be so cumbersome, hard to pawn, and not many know their value. So odd!
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby Mark Finley » Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:42 pm

Wow, that album cover picture has a piggy vibe going on , but with a larger throat

Interesting
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby Stryk » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:20 pm

I would still like to find this horn. I spoke with Mr. Oliver and Mr. Hammond. The last known buyer was from Arizona - the trail ends there.
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby bisontuba » Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:52 pm

Maybe in Austin, Texas?
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby bort » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:56 pm

bisontuba wrote:Maybe in Austin, Texas?


In which case, again, "the trail ends there." :roll:
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby Mikelynch » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:09 pm

If it's in Austin, I don't know about it... :-)
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby bisontuba » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:49 pm

Mikelynch wrote:If it's in Austin, I don't know about it... :-)


Then......I don't know :D
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Re: Bill Bell's Martin CC (actually LB Olivers horn)

Postby Stryk » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:25 pm

bisontuba wrote:Maybe in Austin, Texas?


There is no telling. I hope it isn't siting in some closet somewhere never to be used again
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