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Searching this forum, this topic has been constantly rehashed, but I still have questions concerning this horn, the the forums get a bit muddled. My band teacher has the Walter Sear model (CC) which he let me play during band this Friday as a christmas present. I loved it. Anyway, what specifies a piggy? Is it time period, model number, or bore? There are different "stenciled" piggies, and which ones are the best? What types are the new piggies? What are the scales (4/4 etc) of the various kinds, and anyother pertinent information. As I usually play a BBb 186, I found this piggy to be way more enjoyable to play, and liked the CC fingerings better (also being a bass clarinetist so I understand the whole 2 half step transposition). So that's my inquiry. Just as much Piggy information as possible.

Just a couple:

1. No matter what is engraved on the bell, it was made by Cerveny.

2. Dimensions are pretty close to these from an advertisement for a new Cerveny CCB 603 aka "Piggy":

Bore: 21.0 mm (.827")
Bell: 400 mm (15.75")
Height: 910 mm (35.83")

Here's a site with pictures of all current Cerveny models and you can make your own comparisons between tubas:

http://www.cerveny.biz/tuben/" target="_blank

My brass galleries have 9 piggy entries in CC or BBb. One with an added 5th valve. One hints that Cerveny is behind the revival of the Stowasser brand.

Klaus

tstryk wrote:a little over $3100 it appears (4125 Euro)

Do I understand it right that you said 3100$ is equal to over 4000 euros?

Do "piggies" come in BBb as well?

As of today according to the web (I dag = Today):

I just welcomed my second piggy home a few weeks ago and am crazy about the horn. It's just the 'right' size for me and the playing I do... In between piggies I had a 186 and a Weril 621 Yamacopy.

Every horn has its quirks and the Piggy isn't alone in that - The first one I had only required a 1st slide here and there - my current Piggy seems to 'slot' very easily with only the Eb below the staff being a bit sharp.

There isn't a lot of production variation in these horns - I have a friend with a late '60s piggy that looks identical to my late 90s model and they both look identical to the nearly new one we saw at TubaChristmas last week. The only difference being linkage parts and the engraving on the bell.

The only bad thing I've heard is that you must play test them... there were some real dogs out there in the cold war era models, but I've heard they've become much more consistent in the past several years.

Good luck

Ricko

What I'm trying to get at is what model of cerveny is considered a piggy? Are all cerveny tubas considered a piggy, or just a certain type?

tstryk wrote:

Wu299 wrote:
Do "piggies" come in BBb as well?

technically as it can be with an unofficial nickname, no..the Piggy was/is in CC. Cerveny doesp/did make a compact BBb which looks similar, but the best I had played was nowhere near a so-so CC.

I have a friend who plays a BBb piggy in city band. It is pictured in the show me you low brass group thread.