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Re: C or CC tuba?

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:44 pm
by PMeuph
My understanding is that the label does not actually follow any kind of octave naming system.

http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary ... ation.html" target="_blank

They are now referred to as CC and BBb tuba even though they belong on different octaves. Same goes for EEb tuba.

BBBb is a rare subcontrabass tuba...

Re: C or CC tuba?

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:40 pm
by eupher61
and the dreaded EEb....there is no standardization.

Re: C or CC tuba?

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:47 pm
by sloan
Any attempt to DERIVE the current naming scheme based on some sane system of notation is doomed to failure.

Trying to make it so is a fool's mission.

The received truth; use these terms and you will be understood:

C tuba - the obsolete French "teakettle"
Bb tuba - no such thing. If you mean "tenor tuba", then say so.
F tuba - bass tuba in F
Eb tuba - bass tuba in Eb
EEb tuba - large bass tuba in Eb (advertising hyperbole meant to imply an Eb to be used more like a BBb than an F)
CC tuba - contrabass tuba in C
BBb tuba - contrabass tuba in Bb

Anything else - whatever the owner wants to call it, there are no rules or conventions to guide you.

Re: C or CC tuba?

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:20 pm
by Donn
sloan wrote: EEb tuba - large bass tuba in Eb (advertising hyperbole meant to imply an Eb to be used more like a BBb than an F)
But mainly in Merry Old England and its more tractable colonies, true? In the US, Eb is Eb.

Re: C or CC tuba?

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:35 pm
by sloan
Donn wrote:
sloan wrote: EEb tuba - large bass tuba in Eb (advertising hyperbole meant to imply an Eb to be used more like a BBb than an F)
But mainly in Merry Old England and its more tractable colonies, true? In the US, Eb is Eb.
Blimey, mate - do the Yanks make Eb tubas?

Re: C or CC tuba?

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:44 pm
by Kevin Hendrick
sloan wrote:
Donn wrote:
sloan wrote: EEb tuba - large bass tuba in Eb (advertising hyperbole meant to imply an Eb to be used more like a BBb than an F)
But mainly in Merry Old England and its more tractable colonies, true? In the US, Eb is Eb.
Blimey, mate - do the Yanks make Eb tubas?
http://kanstulmusic.com/kanstul_tubas.html :tuba:

Re: C or CC tuba?

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:46 pm
by GC
I prefer to call it the Fbb tuba.

Re: C or CC tuba?

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:02 pm
by sloan
Kevin Hendrick wrote:
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But mainly in Merry Old England and its more tractable colonies, true? In the US, Eb is Eb.
Blimey, mate - do the Yanks make Eb tubas?[/quote]
http://kanstulmusic.com/kanstul_tubas.html :tuba:[/quote]

I figured they were Brits, because they call their tubas "EEb".

Re: C or CC tuba?

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:18 am
by GC
Let's not forget the E# tuba, too.

Re: C or CC tuba?

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:21 am
by Donn
sloan wrote: I figured they were Brits, because they call their tubas "EEb".
They mean to sell them to Brits, perhaps.

Re: C or CC tuba?

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:35 am
by MikeW
Way back, when I first started getting confused about tubas, I was told that an Eb had 3 valves, but a 4 valve instrument was called an EEb as a marketing ploy, the cover story being that "it can play chromatically all the way down to the pedals, so it's 'virtually' a contrabass...". It seemed like a distinction worth making, and there were enough 4-valve instruments around to justify the different labels. I have the impression that most American Eb tubas had only three valves, so the question didn't arise in America until they started importing 4-valve instruments.

I was in a British brass band at that time, probably around 1976, so F and C/CC didn't get discussed much, but there must have been a dozen or so F and maybe several big CC in the country by then; I can remember an aging violin player asking me "Is that an orchestral tuba ?", when he actually meant "is that in F ?"