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Derivations by Marco Putz: E-flat bass clef tuba part???

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:54 am
by uctuba9013
Has anyone ever played Marco Putz's "Derivations" for wind ensemble? If so, how do you read bass clef, E-flat tuba parts? Any sort of help is GREATLY appreciated!!!

Re: Derivations by Marco Putz: E-flat bass clef tuba part???

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:07 am
by TubadudeCA
Pretend it's treble clef, adjust a few flats and sharps as necessary.

Example:

Treble: Bass:
G = Bb
C = Eb
C# = E Natural

Re: Derivations by Marco Putz: E-flat bass clef tuba part???

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:58 am
by Donn
Can't help with the question per se, inasmuch as I've never heard of the piece and wouldn't know what's going on there. I'm curious though - it's really transposed, not just a concert pitch tuba part that happens to be labelled "Eb tuba"? That happens all the time. A transposed part would be ... very weird.

Re: Derivations by Marco Putz: E-flat bass clef tuba part???

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:52 am
by finnbogi
tstryk wrote:
Donn wrote: A transposed part would be ... very weird.
I can't imagine a part for any instruments in bass clef that has been transposed. At least I have never seen one.
This is actually transposed bass clef, which is somewhat common in Belgian and Dutch wind music (as discussed here).
Fortunately, I haven't had many encounters with parts like these, but I have simply dealt with them by thinking down a ninth (tuba contrabasse in sib) or a sixth (tuba basse in mib) as needed.

Re: Derivations by Marco Putz: E-flat bass clef tuba part???

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:06 pm
by eupher61
finnbogi wrote:
Fortunately, I haven't had many encounters with parts like these, but I have simply dealt with them by thinking down a ninth (tuba contrabasse in sib) or a sixth (tuba basse in mib) as needed.
Sorry...I'm not understanding how those transpositions work. The part is written so that it sounds a sixth lower than written, is that correct?

Re: Derivations by Marco Putz: E-flat bass clef tuba part???

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:12 am
by finnbogi
eupher61 wrote:
finnbogi wrote:
Fortunately, I haven't had many encounters with parts like these, but I have simply dealt with them by thinking down a ninth (tuba contrabasse in sib) or a sixth (tuba basse in mib) as needed.
Sorry...I'm not understanding how those transpositions work. The part is written so that it sounds a sixth lower than written, is that correct?
I haven't played this particular piece, but yes, generally this is the way it works.
So a written C on second space should be a sounding E flat on the first ledger line below the bass clef.
If you are playing an E flat tuba, these are basically trumpet fingerings in bass clef - or C tuba fingerings up an octave, if that makes more sense.