Is my Laskey 30H American or European shank?

[WoodSheddin]

How do I tell if my Laskey 30H is a European or American shank? I used it in my Hirsbrunner HB-2p. When in the receiver it sticks out about 7.6mm. My Shilke Helleberg II sticks out about 11.8mm. I also own a Dallenbach Helleberg which the receiver absolutelly swallows.

I thought the Dallenbach was an American shank and the Helleberg II a European shank. Is there a size in between for the 30H or is it that their is no absolute standard for a European shank mouthpiece and both the 30H and the SHII are both the same basic shank size.

Trying to sort this all out for people asking me questions regarding a sale. I would call Laskey and ask him but it is Sunday.

[JayW]

dont know if this will help you sean, since I do not know the measurements of the shank sizes, but I recall chris Hall using the Euro shank on his hirsbrunner when taking lessons with him. (because I couldnt try it one day since my horn had a much smaller receiver and it stuck out A LOT) I am pretty sure the american shank would not even fit properly on your horn. It would go all the way in. hope that made sense

[Mark]

How do I tell if my Laskey 30H is a European or American shank? ... When in the receiver it sticks out about 7.6mm.

I've been wondering the same thing.

But, isn't the more important measurement how far the shank goes into the receiver rather than how much sticks out?

[WoodSheddin]

How do I tell if my Laskey 30H is a European or American shank? ... When in the receiver it sticks out about 7.6mm.

I've been wondering the same thing.

But, isn't the more important measurement how far the shank goes into the receiver rather than how much sticks out?

The shanks are the same length.

[Paul S]

It is not the length of the shaft but rather the shank diameter. The Euro is a wider shank and thus does not go in as deep as the American (standard) shank in a European receiver. Try the Laskey on your Conn Sousa or something like a Yamaha F. If it is too big it is a Euro. According to Doug Elliots pages, The American (standard) is what the receivers are on most Besson, Bohm & Meinl, Conn, Holton, Jupiter, King, Martin, Marzan, Meinl-Weston smaller models, Musica, Olds, Reynolds, Yamaha smaller models, York smaller models. The American Shank will go in the larger European receivers deeper but the European will not fit in an American receiver.

[Paul S]

The mpc pictured is a european shank mpc. There is a small line machined into the shank just before the exterior of the throat area scroll work begins.

I always was told the line you mention was on the inside of the Euro shank. Here is a photo of the Euro 30G I used to have.

[Z-Tuba Dude]

Sean, if the 30H is the same one that you used with your Yorkbrunner, it would be the American shank.

[cjk]

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I don't know about Laskey shanks in particular, but I do know that Doug Elliott's website says that

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[Paul S]

The mpc pictured is a european shank mpc. There is a small line machined into the shank just before the exterior of the throat area scroll work begins.

I always was told the line you mention was on the inside of the Euro shank. Here is a photo of the Euro 30G I used to have.

Nope, it's an exterior line. What you point to is tool chatter from (sorry, Scott!) not the best machining.

Interior lines=turbulence=bad.

Thanks LV! That was always something I wondered about and it makes perfect sense once I think about.

[Anterux]

After I read this I'm completely confused about shank sizes...

I read somewhere in a post that if we buy a Denis Wick for a Jupiter 582 it had to be the "L" (large shank)

I just bought it and my jupiter 582 tuba is arriving soon. did I bought the wrong shank size?

[JayW]

unless jupiter has changed the shank size since I had mine years ago.... the large shank will probably have the mouthpiece sitting way out of the receiver.

[Matt Good]

How do I tell if my Laskey 30H is a European or American shank? I used it in my Hirsbrunner HB-2p. When in the receiver it sticks out about 7.6mm. My Shilke Helleberg II sticks out about 11.8mm.

If your Laskey 30H fits into the the reciever further than your Schilke Helleberg II then I am willing to bet that it has an American shank. The old Helleberg II has the same shank as the the Laskey European shank. LV is correct about the line that is machined just before the scroll work on the top of the shank (this is what Scott Laskey told me as a way to make a visual recognition of the diffrence between the two shanks).

[WoodSheddin]

How do I tell if my Laskey 30H is a European or American shank? I used it in my Hirsbrunner HB-2p. When in the receiver it sticks out about 7.6mm. My Shilke Helleberg II sticks out about 11.8mm.

If your Laskey 30H fits into the the reciever further than your Schilke Helleberg II then I am willing to bet that it has an American shank. The old Helleberg II has the same shank as the the Laskey European shank. LV is correct about the line that is machined just before the scroll work on the top of the shank (this is what Scott Laskey told me as a way to make a visual recognition of the diffrence between the two shanks).

Mine does not have that line, if I understand correctly. I am going to call him tommorrow and double check to be certain. I may have the American shank.

[WoodSheddin]

I may have the American shank.

Just tell him it's the version marketed to the red states...

You mean the little bitty teeny weeny shank?

[WoodSheddin]

I just called Scott Laskey and confirmed it is indeed an American shank. Thanks for all the help guys.

[CJ Krause]

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[Dean E]

How do I tell if my Laskey 30H is a European or American shank?

Here's a comparison chart with some dimensions. Anyone that can identify where the American/European titles go, please let me know. I'll reissue the chart.
Mouthpiece Shank Chart