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Postby Dan Schultz » Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:44 pm

I ran across an 'interesting' old horn today. The bell engraving says:

"Genuine Aug. Heinem"
"Y.W. Jenkins Sons Music Co."
"Kansas, City, MO"

The bell is 17 1/2" diameter and the horn is 34" tall. The pistons measure .919 and the bore is about .640. Pictures are posted at:

http://members.evansville.net/dschultz/projects.htm

Of special interest is the keel and engraved bottom bow guard, the engraved ferules, the plain finger buttons, and the projections on the bottom of the bottom valve caps. I haven't actually put the tuner on it yet but I'm almost certain it's a BBb.

The piston diameter points to Blessing, but I suspect this thing might be of East German origin.

Any ideas??
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Postby Dan Schultz » Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:21 am

Did a little searching. Jenkins Music in Kansas City was still around in 1965. Couldn't find any listings after that.
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Postby Daniel C. Oberloh » Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:14 am

Its pre WWII, probably 20s. If there is a small anchor on the second valve casing it was made by Bohland and Fuchs. Is it stamped Bohemia on the mpc. receiver? If so, most probably B&F. Just a hunch.

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Postby Dan Schultz » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:45 am

Daniel C. Oberloh wrote:Its pre WWII, probably 20s. If there is a small anchor on the second valve casing it was made by Bohland and Fuchs. Is it stamped Bohemia on the mpc. receiver? If so, most probably B&F. Just a hunch. Daniel C. Oberloh - Oberloh Woodwind and Brass Works - www.oberloh.com


No anchor - no markings on the receiver. However, I think you are in the right part of the World at about the right time.
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Postby Chuck(G) » Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:54 pm

TubaTinker wrote:
Daniel C. Oberloh wrote:Its pre WWII, probably 20s. If there is a small anchor on the second valve casing it was made by Bohland and Fuchs. Is it stamped Bohemia on the mpc. receiver? If so, most probably B&F. Just a hunch. Daniel C. Oberloh - Oberloh Woodwind and Brass Works - www.oberloh.com


No anchor - no markings on the receiver. However, I think you are in the right part of the World at about the right time.


I've seen other brass with this brand on eBay--always with the Jenkins name, usually with "Austria" added. IMOHO, I'll bet that "Heinem" is a house brand and that this is really a B&F instrument--they made a lot for export to America pre-WWI under all sorts of names. You dion't always find the anchor or "B&F" on the valves, either.
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old tuba

Postby Adam Peck » Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:07 pm

It shares several characteristics with the old Tourville & co. tuba that I own. The valve caps are identical and the engraved bow guard fancy bottom bow piece are the same. The bell diameter and flare seem bigger than the Tourville. Pictued here is the Tourville euphonium, almost identical to the tuba in design.Image
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Re: old tuba

Postby Chuck(G) » Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:27 am

Adam Peck wrote:It shares several characteristics with the old Tourville & co. tuba that I own.


Yup--and Tourvilles were made by B&F, in spite of the "Paris" name.
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Re: Whattzit??

Postby DaveWright » Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:19 pm

I bought that horn from Harvey Phillips nephew, I'm having the valves overhauled by Anderson.
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Re: Whattzit??

Postby eupher61 » Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:46 am

Jenkins completely got out of the horn business sometime 50s-60s. The company went through a sale from the original family post-war and the new owners focused on pianos and organs (piani and orgae?) I don't think they dealt in any stencilled winds post-war.

But, certainly pre-WW2, they were a major dealer in anything musical. In the Ragtime Era they were a leading publisher, employed Charles Johnson (likely THE most prolific rag composer of all) to be their song stumper, and dealt in everything. The Jenkins name vanished in the 90s, when it was sold again and became Schmitt Pianos. They closed most of the small stores and have but 1 left, I think.
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