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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby hbcrandy » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:13 pm

My York Monster Eb tuba with 4 Beuscher piston valves Meinl Weston rotary valve, Conn piston valve buttons and a custom leadpipe.
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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby Sam Gnagey » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:29 pm

Toobalicious wrote:The third 6/4 CC by Sam Gnagey. Cerveny bell, Conn wrap, and King valves. Love it!

Just to clarify the components of this instrument: The bell is Cerveny, the branches are Martin, the valve cluster consists of 3 King valves and a Conn 4th valve. The rotor is Meinlschmidt.
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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby Tabor » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:36 pm

Here is another photo or two. The top is a king/York built by another member of TubeNet. It is a spectacular instrument. It is hanging out with a York Master fitted with an old Conn bell. (Thanks to Lee Stofer for that ferrule)

The other photos are also of tubas.






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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby Toobalicious » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:12 am

Sam Gnagey wrote:
Toobalicious wrote:The third 6/4 CC by Sam Gnagey. Cerveny bell, Conn wrap, and King valves. Love it!

Just to clarify the components of this instrument: The bell is Cerveny, the branches are Martin, the valve cluster consists of 3 King valves and a Conn 4th valve. The rotor is Meinlschmidt.


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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby Lectron » Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:03 pm

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York bell and branches.
Walter Nirschl valve cluster
Starts out with a li'll larger bore than the original York (.709-.748)
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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby Tubajug » Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:29 pm

Beautiful horn Lectron!
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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby Lectron » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:02 am

Thanks :-)
I sold it a year ago and soon realized. That was not one of my brightest moment.
Called him up some month later and said. IF you ever are to sell it, I'll take it back for the same price as you paid.

That time just arrived :tuba:
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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby Tabor » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:58 am

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Martin mammoth with Reynolds & a few other parts.
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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby bort » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:30 am

^ Tabor, what is that? Looks entirely un-Frankentuba!
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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby dwcramer2 » Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:08 am

Thanks all for sharing - there are some really cool horns here!

This is (to the best of my knowledge/understanding), a 1918 York 33 that was converted by Bob Rusk to a front-action CC. The original piston valves were replaced by a King 1240/2340 valve set, and 5th valve is likely a Meinl-Weston s-linkage era valve. Past the valve cluster, the bugle is from the original horn.
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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby Tabor » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:57 pm

This is the most involved project I have done, to date. It is an F tuba now. It was once several different things.

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It started as a banged up Conn Eb and spare parts.

has a nice scale. EDIT: after more play testing, it has since scale except for a particular range of 5 notes that are difficult to center. I suspect it spends too much time hanging around .750 bore so it is back to the drawing board for the running gear with a new, larger bugle.
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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby Steve Marcus » Fri Mar 25, 2016 8:58 am

From FB: 5-valve CC with Conn bugle, King bell, and Weril valves. Belongs to someone in Brazil.

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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby Michael Bush » Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:51 am

Tabor wrote: It is made with parts from Conn, York, King, Cerveny, Jinbao, Reynolds, DEG, No name Czech donor, unbranded brass stock, Allied, probably others.


...and a wine cork! :tuba:
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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby hrender » Thu May 12, 2016 12:57 pm

Saw this on the Horn Stash website:

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It's supposedly a King body with a Carl Fisher bell. Anyone try it out?

Update: It was one of Tabor's horns. Should've known.
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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby the elephant » Thu May 12, 2016 2:00 pm

I posted my old MW-32 with the York bell on page 2 of this thread some time ago. I just realized I never posted the Eb I built. Some of you will remember it.

Holton Monster Eb with an Reynolds four valve set @ .687" and a Miraphone 186 5th valve @ .769" — I reused most of the crooks and ferrules, but all the slide tubing and a few crooks I made here at my shop. I also made from scratch the thumb lever and bracket as well as the linkage to the rotor. The leadpipe was a generic one from Allied that I bent to fit.

It played pretty stinking well for one of these old Eb tubas.

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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby bloke » Thu May 12, 2016 2:18 pm

the elephant wrote:...cool stuff...


That 2165 that you used to own (to which someone changed out the bell with a Fafner bell, and "nestled" the valveset just a bit into the instrument)...

It's even more 6450-ish than it was when you owned it.
It now sports a 6450 dogleg, a 6450 tuning slide, and a 6450 mouthpipe tube (unless it already had the smaller mouthpipe tube...I can't remember...??)
That is now a VERY resonant (read: LOUD) tuba. ' same 2165/2265/6450 intonation tendencies...
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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby the elephant » Thu May 12, 2016 2:57 pm

bloke wrote:
the elephant wrote:...cool stuff...


That 2165 that you used to own (to which someone changed out the bell with a Fafner bell, and "nestled" the valveset just a bit into the instrument)...

It's even more 6450-ish than it was when you owned it.
It now sports a 6450 dogleg, a 6450 tuning slide, and a 6450 mouthpipe tube (unless it already had the smaller mouthpipe tube...I can't remember...??)
That is now a VERY resonant (read: LOUD) tuba. ' same 2165/2265/6450 intonation tendencies...


Yeah, I liked it, but when I had it the low F was weak and the tone the Fafner bell made with it was pretty harsh/bland. I really liked the Holton in that regard and ended up choosing it over the MW. BTW - Mr. Deck built it at his home shop for a student. It had the 2265 leadpipe, which you know the provence of better than anyone. Was it a 45 SL-P taper that Matt Good had used for his 2165? Anyway, that winning combo of BAT and F leadpipe made it much more playable than the kazoo that normally came slapped on the horn. The 2165s were real hoot-o-phones until this was discovered, IMHO.

The valve cluster was (from Mr. Deck via the telephone) set up for a MW 2000, which allowed him to cram it a bit deeper into the bugle. The balance of that tuba was pretty good, IIRC. The valve set location did that, I think.

If the bell had produced a more happy tone I would have kept it. I was thinking about doing a 6450 job to it as soon as I saw a clear photo of the horn. I always put my 5th valves after the main slide; I have had great success with that. My Holton is a goo example of how this can improve a horn with a 5th in the leadpipe.
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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby bloke » Thu May 12, 2016 3:27 pm

The 5th rotor was left in place, and the small-size main slide bore (.5mm larger than 6450) remained in place as well. The 6450 main slide crook was re-tapered slightly to meet up with the .5mm larger bore on the small side.

Doing that stuff (regardless of one's judgement of the *type* of sound) electrified the instrument...

...and yeah, I liked my hybrid (much of the same stuff, but with the original 2165/Holton-shaped bell PLUS an old 1990-vintage bell ring) better than that hybrid. Same "electricity"...just a bit more "jolly".
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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby arpthark » Thu May 12, 2016 3:45 pm

bloke wrote:The 5th rotor was left in place, and the small-size main slide bore (.5mm larger than 6450) remained in place as well. The 6450 main slide crook was re-tapered slightly to meet up with the .5mm larger bore on the small side.

Doing that stuff (regardless of one's judgement of the *type* of sound) electrified the instrument...

...and yeah, I liked my hybrid (much of the same stuff, but with the original 2165/Holton-shaped bell PLUS an old 1990-vintage bell ring) better than that hybrid. Same "electricity"...just a bit more "jolly".


Did you get rid of your 2165, Joe? I remember it from when I used to come here a lot 4-5 years ago, but I've been fairly absent since.
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Re: FRANKENTUBAS

Postby Tabor » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:44 am

Here is the CC with "a few" mods.


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