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Strange transposition

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:04 pm
by Yane
Got handed this part for a 4th of July gig:

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I love the fact that "if tuning slide is not long enough will make D crook to order". I take a look at the trombone part and it's in D, which seems to make sense given the tuning directives. (Although there are parts for A trombone (Treble clef in F) as well as Bb.) Here I was finally thinking my Eb tuba would finally come in handy; instead my rusty transposition skills come in handy. Anybody else ever encounter a bass clef part apparently written for a Bb instrument? And as for A. S. Bowman and the piece itself all I can find is that JW Pepper sold the music in 1908.

Re: Strange transposition

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:28 pm
by pgym
Bb bass clef is the norm in the "Fanfare" and harmoniemusik traditions of Northwestern France and BeNeLux, and in some Southeast Asian countries.

Several of Richard Strauss's works (Ein Heldenleben and Don Quixote come immediately to mind) were originally scored for basso (bass clef) Bb Wagner Tuba.

Re: Strange transposition

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:46 pm
by Yane
I knew somebody here would know the answer. Thanks!

Re: Strange transposition

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:38 pm
by Yane
So it was much more difficult to play in sharp keys back then? :roll:

Re: Strange transposition

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:43 pm
by thattubaguy
High pitch (Eb)/low pitch (D)?

Re: Strange transposition

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:27 am
by Yane
I regret my excessive snark. Still, all those tuning bits strikes me as rather inefficient; which might explain why the practice mostly died out. I might guess that C trumpets and configurable piccolo trumpets are vestiges of those practices. I also wonder if all this is part of why tubas today come in four keys?

Re: Strange transposition

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:03 am
by Paul Scott
I've encountered this transposition when playing Peruvian marches. I have an old Martin catalogue that offered a "D" crook for Eb tubas as an accessory. Interesting post!

Re: Strange transposition

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:13 am
by imperialbari
If the musical complexity doesn't exceed the the shown sample I would just press the 2nd valve.

Klaus

Re: Strange transposition

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:25 am
by thattubaguy
My York has an extra main tuning slide which can be activated to put the horn in D, with good results.

Re: Strange transposition

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:28 am
by thattubaguy
See.

Re: Strange transposition

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:34 am
by thattubaguy
I know, but it can.

Re: Strange transposition

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:28 am
by Yane
Klaus, cool idea, and I agree with your assessment. Sadly, there are some eighth note runs later in the piece that I don't feel confident about with an unaccustomed transposition on the fly with only one rehearsal.