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What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:05 am
by capt_tuba
I am interested in getting a better rig for when I stand and play and I was wondering if anyone knows what Wilfried uses when he plays. Thanks.

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:04 am
by pgym
I bet he uses .... his HANDS. :twisted:

http://members.aon.at/tubtub.at/page_4_1.html" target="_blank

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:14 am
by capt_tuba
Thanks. I will email them.

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:18 am
by LJLovegren
It's a tubabelt.

Here's the link:
http://members.aon.at/tubtub.at/page_4_1.html

They also make an accordion belt.

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:45 pm
by Walter Webb
After looking at the TubaBelt, I am thinking about making my own. It's a stout leather belt with a soft lining on the inside, which is rather conventional. The buckle has a curved hook that appears to be about 3/4" wide, which is probably made of thick brass (plating options available). My Alexander 163 has a nice ring on the bottom bow, at belly button level, that is probably stainless steel (non-magnetic) like the rest of the fittings (thumb ring, bow guard, paddles, joints, etc).

I am looking at strong belts at the thrift store, where I saw these:
1. a really strong weightlifting belt like the old-school leather ones here
https://www.google.com/search?q=weight+ ... 04&bih=847" target="_blank
2. a 2" wide poly tow strap material. Either one of these would certainly be strong enough!

Regarding the belt hook- One could use carbon steel, which is easier to work with, and make a rectangular plate with a hook (rolled/tapped over a rounded anvil) with an identical backing plate on the other side of the belt to which it is riveted. Or, use a short strap with highly rated plastic hardware that loops the belt and is double-sewn.

Any ideas?

Walter

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:15 pm
by TheHatTuba
Here's a cheap tuba belt I made a couple years ago. http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i35 ... 700519.jpg" target="_blank" target="_blank"
The biggest problem is you cannot wear it like a normal belt, as it sits much too low (needs to be tied around the midsection). Simple though, just a Wal-mart belt, masonry hook, and a couple male/female screws to hold it in place.

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:19 pm
by bort
Walter Webb wrote:...anvil...
For me, once the word "anvil" comes out, it's just worth it to buy the WilliBelt pre-made. :lol:

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:49 pm
by Walter Webb
Hey HatTuba, that's just perfect. Exactly what I had in mind. I shall investigate masonry hooks. And Mr. Bort, I advise you to never place your tuba on any kind of anvil!

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:11 pm
by Z-Tuba Dude
Anyone know the cost of the "official" belt?

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:52 pm
by sidenius
I've recently checked the price in Austria.
It's really, really expensive!!!
For the belt alone he charges 180 Euros. In addition to that the brassbandol (as it is called on the website) to strap around the main bow if your tuba does'nt have a ring, costs 50 Euros. The shipment costs in Europe is 15 Euros.

So - it all runs up :-)

I've decided to find me a cheap or used climbing harness and simply cut off everything but the hip belt itself. If it can hold a man with a pull from the top, it can easily hold the weight of a tuba the other way.
Just need to find some kind of hook to mount on the hip belt.
A possibility could be to simply cut open an alu carbine, which is used for climbing too

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:20 am
by TheHatTuba
Walter Webb wrote:Hey HatTuba, that's just perfect. Exactly what I had in mind. I shall investigate masonry hooks. And Mr. Bort, I advise you to never place your tuba on any kind of anvil!
Walter,
The masonry hook worked out very well as it matches up perfectly with the metal rings on the belt I used. Just bring the hanger with you into the store and find one that matches up with the holes in the hanger and secure them with some short (1/4", 3/8", can't remember) binding posts.

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:52 pm
by Dan Schultz
KiltieTuba wrote:
Walter Webb wrote:... My Alexander 163 has a nice ring on the bottom bow, at belly button level, that is probably stainless steel (non-magnetic) like the rest of the fittings (thumb ring, bow guard, paddles, joints, etc). ...
Walter
I believe you're referring to nickel silver, not stainless steel... :wink:
Ian... not meaning to get into a metalurgy discussion. But... those two terms are roughly the same thing.

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:57 pm
by Dan Schultz
I've taken a look into making a belt like this but I don't feel it would work for me as well as the Meinl harness did. The belt in question hangs on the hips and unless it's fitted rather uncomfortably... might tend to 'ride down' over a period of extended playing (five hours) as I do during Volksfest.

Also... Wilfried does not have to worry about things like page turns.

By-the-way... I no longer need a harness, strap, or other devices to hold a tuba as I only use a helicon or sousa for stand-up gigs these days.

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:14 pm
by pgym
TubaTinker wrote:
KiltieTuba wrote:
Walter Webb wrote:... My Alexander 163 has a nice ring on the bottom bow, at belly button level, that is probably stainless steel (non-magnetic) like the rest of the fittings (thumb ring, bow guard, paddles, joints, etc). ...
Walter
I believe you're referring to nickel silver, not stainless steel... :wink:
Ian... not meaning to get into a metalurgy discussion. But... those two terms are roughly the same thing.
Really? Most reference resources classify nickel silver as a non-ferrous metal, and stainless steel as ferrous.

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:31 pm
by Dan Schultz
pgym wrote:...

Really? Most reference resources classify nickel silver as a non-ferrous metal, and stainless steel as ferrous.
I knew there would be an argument just waiting in the wings. I should have qualified that to say "nickel silver is not silver at all but is an alloy similar to SURGICAL stainless steel inasmuch as the nickel content is approximately the same".

Surgical stainless steel IS non-ferrous.

Better?

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:52 am
by pgym
TubaTinker wrote:
Some Surgical stainless steel alloys are classified as non-ferrous.
FTFY

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:26 pm
by Dan Schultz
pgym wrote:
TubaTinker wrote:
Some Surgical stainless steel alloys are classified as non-ferrous.
FTFY
Thanks! :)

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:12 pm
by Rotaryclub
Consider this free alternative:

I play (with quintet) almost exclusively standing, and have for ten years used a strap worn around one shoulder and around a piece of tubing near the bottom of the horn. I comes from one of those extra-large duffle bags-the end to end strap that you never use. It's adjustable, holds the weight on your back/shoulder, and the horn feels stable even when using one hand to hold. There's no welding parts to your tuba, and it was absolutely free.

Re: What does Wilfried Brandstötter use to hold his tuba?

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:57 pm
by zangerzzz
Thanks Hat Tuba.

I assembled my belt today using a Dewalt tool belt $25

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001P3 ... UTF8&psc=1" target="_blank" target="_blank

Heavy duty suspenders $10

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004 ... UTF8&psc=1" target="_blank" target="_blank

The Masonry hook you reccomended $2

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A3F ... UTF8&psc=1" target="_blank" target="_blank

Works Great!