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Hi-
On a dealer website, I see that the YamaYork has apparently gone up in price, and the "price on the street" is now $225 short of $40,000 ----------shipping and/ or tax not included.....ouch......
Mark

Quantitative easing

jonesmj wrote:Hi-
On a dealer website, I see that the YamaYork has apparently gone up in price, and the "price on the street" is now $225 short of $40,000 ----------shipping and/ or tax not included.....ouch......
Mark

I understand that it is not necessarily that you have the money for a YamaYork but rather that they want you to have one.

What's the "average" price for a REAL front valve (edit)6/4(/edit) York Bb, 3 or 4 valve? Does the Yamaha offer more York-i-ness for the price?

The famous 1933 "20 Grand" above

meet the 2013 "40 Grand" below.

tofu wrote: The famous 1933 "20 Grand" above ...

meet the 2013 "40 Grand" below...

Yes, but the "20 Grand" is slightly more than 20 grand today.

Mark wrote:

tofu wrote: The famous 1933 "20 Grand" above ...

meet the 2013 "40 Grand" below...

Yes, but the "20 Grand" is slightly more than 20 grand today.

$20,000 in 1933 had the buying power of $359,378.46 in 2013 dollars. The car in today's dollars is worth $4.5 - 6.5 million.

It has nicely outpaced the weakening of the buying power of a buck!

bloke wrote:"collector" value. Not "consumer" value.

Those are two very different things.

Really irrelevant. All one should be concerned about is store of value and future buying power with how one stores ones dollars today. The form only matters in that it succeeds in achieving that. In the end you have to have the skill to know how to do that. Sadly most people don't.

If Duesenbergs were mass-produced today, would they cost much more than $400K ? ...I think not.

Well first off mass produced would destroy part of the point of the car even in the day as it was aimed at those who could afford the finest and the most elusive.
Could you build a one off custom built hand made body today along with state of the art engine/chassis engineering and design for 400 K today - not on your life. The leather seats alone would run you over $50K. The restoration cost alone on an already engineered/designed Duesie today runs 1 million. You have to remember that in their day these cars were not just better they were several levels better than their nearest competitor. It isn't like comparing a Ferrari and a Lamborghini today where the technology is very close. A 1933 Cadillac V-16 produced 165 hp - the 1933 Duesenberg SJ 8 produced 320 HP. Almost double the output. To engineer such a quantum leap over your nearest competitor's technology today would take a lot more than 400k per car to build especially when you are spreading the RandD over less than 900 cars built over roughly 10 years.

The point of my original post was really a light hearted simple comparison of what 2OK bought you in 1933 and what 40K buys you today. It's not even close just by looking at the photo. It's really an illustration in a simple/complex way of how little your dollar buys you now.

Finally, I'm personally not in the market (at $20K, $30K, or $40K) for "something that plays slightly better than 'the best Holton CC-345 ever' ".

Well I'm not either even though I easily could afford to buy one. I play a 2341 and an old 185. But if somebody finds the value works for them who am I to tell them differently. I mean after all AJ payed $175 for York #1 and I would guess that there is a buyer out there today who would pay a $100K for it due to the provenance. That's a pretty fair return over 6 decades for an old hunk of metal even in todays deflated dollars.

For 40 K you can have my magnificent silver 6/4 York AND my car::)) AND a bottle of single malt::))
Hubert

tuben wrote:

tuben wrote:My post disappeared. Again.

NSA?

or are drag-queens part of the great unwritten rules of posting to the tubenet? Don't talk about the AFM either!!!

Wait what????

JJ

I come through Louisville often wold love to take in a concert...so off topic
JJ

tofu wrote:

Mark wrote:

tofu wrote: The famous 1933 "20 Grand" above ...

meet the 2013 "40 Grand" below...

Yes, but the "20 Grand" is slightly more than 20 grand today.

$20,000 in 1933 had the buying power of $359,378.46 in 2013 dollars. The car in today's dollars is worth $4.5 - 6.5 million.

It has nicely outpaced the weakening of the buying power of a buck!

No problem. Got change?

Since this thread has clearly completely gone off the rails anyhow..

This is probably the modern equivalent of the $20,000 car cited in this thread: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron" target="_blank
Yours for the pittance of $2,700,000.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSFX9vrwJf8

I've been told from time to time that I lack a sense of humor, so before I say what I want....this is a joke thread right? You people aren't really saying with a straight face that the price of the Yamayork is being influenced by the fact that we're not on the gold standard? I realize that we're all tuba players and not economists...but really?

Bob Kolada wrote:What's the "average" price for a REAL front valve (edit)6/4(/edit) York Bb, 3 or 4 valve? Does the Yamaha offer more York-i-ness for the price?

Not nearly as much.

I'd say no.