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Hi-
Saw the update on Dan's site and thought I 'd pass this on to anyone interested...FYI...mark

"....The shop is starting to toy with the idea of bringing in two new apprentices. If you or someone you know has an interest and is able to commit to the demands involved, give Dan a shout. You must be able bodied, between the ages of 19 and 27 years of age and willing to seriously devote the time and energy needed to develop the skills required in the trade that will lead to a full time position with Oberloh Woodwind and Brass Works....."

What an opportunity for the right person! Run don't walk.

What, nothing for us old guys? Guess I might not live long enough to learn it all!

Where is this opportunity?

I've been wanting to learn for years, but I can't find anyone close enough to apprentice under.

tylerferris1213 wrote:If only I could. I've been wanting to learn for years, but I can't find anyone close enough to apprentice under.

Ever consider moving?

1) Unless you're really lucky, you have to move for the best opportunities. It's part of the experience, and well worth it. I've never regretted moving away from home.

2) The EEOC laws are a bunch of bunk. Ok, so an old guy applies? Besides age, there are a billion other reasons to not hire one person over another. It's a completely subjective process (with good intentions).

I understand that the law is the law. You can't really say that stuff in job postings, I know that. Same thing with race, ethnicity, blah, blah, blah...

But that's just the legal stuff. Realistically, there are dozens and dozens of criteria to use when deciding who to hire. So if 2 people apply (one who is 20 and one who is 50), it's not as if the employer is doomed into having to hire the older (or younger) person. If age isn't a factor, then something else WILL be a deciding factor.

(This is not specific to Oberloh...) What's bunk about it is that an employer could still choose the 20 year old person because of their age, but if ever approached about it could just say it was some other reason, and it was never about age. As long as there's a reasonable explanation, just about anything goes.

Just saying that proving discrimination can be very tough (as long as it's not printed in the job description!).

The Big Ben wrote:

tylerferris1213 wrote:I've been wanting to learn for years, but I can't find anyone close enough to apprentice under.

Ever consider moving?

I just made an 8 hour move this week. It would be a little premature to uproot myself again.

tylerferris1213 wrote:I just made an 8 hour move this week. It would be a little premature to uproot myself again.

D'oh!

bort wrote:What's bunk about it is that an employer could still choose the 20 year old person because of their age, but if ever approached about it could just say it was some other reason, and it was never about age. As long as there's a reasonable explanation, just about anything goes.

Federal regulations aside, I understand completely why Dan would want a younger person to apprentice: he's gonna invest years in teaching this person a variety of skills and impart the Oberloh work ethic. Why would you do that with a 50 year old and not get the full return on your 'investment'?

Uncle "an old-ish fart, speaking against his own interests" Beer

tuben wrote:

bort wrote:Just saying that proving discrimination can be very tough (as long as it's not printed in the job description!).

Exactly, so someone tell Dan to change that ****.

Who are you, tuben?

What is the best way to get ahold of Dan to inquire more about this?

tylerferris1213 wrote:What is the best way to get ahold of Dan to inquire more about this?

Probably by phone -- while I have emailed with Dan in the past, he's super busy and a hard dude to get in touch with. I always had more luck by phone than by email.

KiltieTuba wrote:

tylerferris1213 wrote:What is the best way to get ahold of Dan to inquire more about this?

How can you not figure it out?
You clearly use the internet...

Judging from this, you might not be the right candidate ...

Real helpful.

I sent a private message and he got back to me in a few hours
heres what he said

Daniel C. Oberloh wrote:We are only considering responsible, hard working, trustworthy applicants who have a strong interest in a career in band instrument repair and restoration, 19-27 yrs of age that are able bodied, can follow instructions and that have a good mechanical aptitude. A performance level of competence on woodwinds and/or brass instruments is a must. They must have a valid drivers license, be a non smoker and non drug user.
The position is not a paying one for the first 12 months but afterword, if the apprentice has proven a level of competence, they will be paid a commission on there daily productivity. If you are not local, this is a big jump and may require some serious thought on you part. Where are you located?

Dan'l

KiltieTuba wrote:How can you not figure it out?
You clearly use the internet...
Judging from this, you might not be the right candidate ...

I think Ian must be suffering from PMS.......(a lot)
I mean how much of a rude sh*thead can you be to someone asking a simple question like that?

In all honesty, if you know the info. that someone is asking for..........be kind enough to tell them.
If you don't (or have nothing worthwhile to say) then PLEASE by all means........STFU!!!

I apologize if my post made it seem like I wasn't working. I made the post after I had called the shop with the number I found and was told he wasn't able to take phone calls. I also found a good time to call Dan tomorrow. Please don't assume I'm lazy, unresourceful, or incompetent. And I don't blame anyone for initially thinking I was. I should have included what I had already tried.

tylerferris1213 wrote:I apologize if my post made it seem like I wasn't working. I made the post after I had called the shop with the number I found and was told he wasn't able to take phone calls. I also found a good time to call Dan tomorrow. Please don't assume I'm lazy, unresourceful, or incompetent. And I don't blame anyone for initially thinking I was. I should have included what I had already tried.

pm him on here its faster

Thank you